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Truth Seeker
2004-04-30 00:48:58 UTC
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What a undercover OSA agent Will do & Won't do:


The two most basic ways to know what a person is all about is by:
1. What they Do 2. What they Don't Do. It is what a person Does and
Does Not Do that shows what's in their heart. That is the basic
fundamental to knowing what they are really all about.

What an undercover OSA agent Won't Do:

1. Make a list of the names the undercover OSA agents are posting
under on this newsgroup.

An undercover OSA agent will admit there are OSA agents on this
newsgroup but will never make a list of which he feels are the
undercover OSA agents and post it. An undercover OSA agent will always
invalidate any list posted by a real critic but will never post a list
himself. If he ever does make a list it won't contain any real names
anybody has ever posted under, it will be just a joke on his part to
poke fun at a real critic who had put up a list of real names earlier.
For example, his list will contain something like "Elmer Fudd",
"Scooby Doo", or "Bugs Bunny", names nobody has ever posted under,
that will be his "list" of undercover OSA agents.

In the past the OSA agents have been fond of saying that I'm the
undercover OSA agent on this newsgroup. This newsgroup is big source
of bad PR for Scientology and they would have assigned at least 5-10
OSA agents from different Orgs with the job of "handling" it. This
newsgroup goes all the way around the world and there is no way they
are going to assign just one person to that task. If they used only
one person, who would be handling the newsgroup while he was asleep?
Remember, there are articles posting on this newsgroup 24 hours a day.

2. Do something to hurt Scientology in any real way.

You will never catch a undercover OSA agent going to nationwide TV
like Bob Minton did unless it was to embarrass the real critics of
Scientology by saying crazy stupid things in front of the camera.
Sometimes when an undercover OSA agent feels he has the world
convinced he is an enemy of Scientology and is a easy person for the
Church of Scientology to discredit, like Arnie Lerma, he will go in
front of a camera looking like a nutcase lowlife and saying outlandish
things which only discredits him. Since the viewers think he is a
critic of Scientology, he has effectively discredited the critics of
Scientology also. This is all just what the Church of Scientology
wants to have happen.

What an undercover OSA agent Will Do:

1. Attack any article that is hurtful to Scientology and the person
who posted it.

Anytime there is a article that is posted that would cause the
reader to want to move away from Scientology, the undercover OSA
agents will attack it. For example, if there was an article like this
"How Scientology traps news members", the undercover OSA agents will
attack it. They will try to: 1. Block anybody from reading it by
posting a response that tries to change the subject. 2. Trivialize the
subject. 3. Confuse the subject. 4. Try to direct the reader to one or
more web sites controlled by OSA. 5. Try to discredit the poster by
saying he or she is a Scientologist, or a nutcase.

2. Try to "body route" the reader's attention off this newsgroup and
on to a web site.

The reason the Church of Scientology does this is because this
newsgroup is dangerous to them because they can't control it.
Scientology is an organization that likes it best when it has complete
control over things. Because this newsgroup is not under their control
it could contain some criticism that could be truly hurtful to
Scientology. Another reason is because they can't track who it is that
is posting or reading articles on this newsgroup. If the reader logs
onto a web site controlled by Scientology, the person logging on can
be traced just like you would trace a phone call back to where it was
placed. Anytime you see someone pushing "this web site" or "that web
site" is trying to "body route" you off this newsgroup. Anybody has
the right to include a web address in their article but if they put
web addresses in almost all there articles or keep pushing hard for
you to go to "this web site" or "that web site", more than likely it's
an undercover OSA agent. If they have something to say, why couldn't
they post it or say it on this newsgroup? Why do they insist you read
it elsewhere? Answer: Because they want you out of here. If you stay
around here on this newsgroup you might read something truly damaging
to their church.

3. Post articles that appear to be critical of Scientology but only
has the effect of discrediting the critics of Scientology.

Inside that article will contain a few lines of false data that
was deliberately inserted by Scientology. They put the false data in
the article so the reader will discover it. After discovering the
false data, the reader will conclude, seemingly on his own, that the
person who wrote it either doesn't know what he's talking about or is
a liar. Since the person reading the article believes that the person
who wrote the article is a critic of Scientology, he will come to the
conclusion, again seemingly on his own, that the critics of
Scientology don't know what they are talking about or are liars. If
the person reading the article comes to either one these conclusions
it would benefit Scientology, which is the reason why the article was
created and posted in the first place.

4. Post articles that are trivial in nature which leaves the reader
bored or coming away with a response of "Who cares?".

They create what looks like criticism on the surface but it
doesn't really tell you anything that is hurtful to Scientology. The
normal response you get from reading this type of phony criticism is:
"Oh well, who cares about that?". They make it look like criticism of
Scientology but it doesn't contain any real substance. They are hoping
the reader will get bored with reading the articles on this newsgroup
and leave. There is another reason why they are trying to bore the
reader with boring fake criticism. They feel that most of people who
are reading this newsgroup are angry and looking for blood and guts
criticism of Scientology. By posting articles that are at 2.5
(boredom) on the tone scale they are hoping to handle the angry 1.5
who's reading it. L. Ron Hubbard said that boredom will handle an
angry person and this is another reason why they employ it.




Truth Seeker
++++++++++

"The first battle a warrior must win is the battle for his own mind"


Here is a list of the titles of all the articles posted earlier
to this newsgroup that the Church of Scientology does not want you to
read. If you're having a hard time finding them, just do a search on
the title of the article within this newsgroup with your newsreader or
go to google.com, select "groups" and enter the title of the article.


*- "The Church of Scientology's recruiting and control operation"

*- "7 good reasons why you should stay away from Scientology"

*- "The FAQ for Alt.Religion.Scientology"

*- "When does a Scientologist cease to be a Scientologist?"

*- "Could Scientology be Hubbard's greatest Sci-Fi novel come to life
for some people?"

*- "Could using a "tone scale" be a good way to make people wrong?"

*- "Never reveal your true identity on this newsgroup!"

*- "The injustice that was leveled against me by the Church of
Scientology"

*- "Names the Church of Scientology is posting under on this
newsgroup"

*- "Was the book: "Dianetics" an attempt you make you wrong?"

*- "The Real Source of Happiness"

*- "Understanding how Scientology is going about discrediting their
enemies"

*- "Want to know a good way to spot the undercover scientologists on
this newsgroup?"

*- "The Church of Scientology creates their own enemies"

*- "The Church of Scientology is a mind control organization"

*- "The Church of Scientology is like a shadow"

*- "The Church of Scientology's Decoy System"

*- "Be careful of somebody trying to get you to put your name on a
petition!"

*- "Arnie Lerma answers this important question"

*- "How Scientology is playing both sides of the coin"

*- "How Scientology wants the reader to Misidentify things on this
newsgroup"

*- "How the Church of Scientology tries to discredit it's critics"

*- "How to know if you have been manipulated by OSA on this newsgroup"

*- "How to spot the OSA members on this newsgroup"

*- "This is how to destroy the Church of Scientology"

*- "Another trick Scientologists who are pretending to be critics use
on this newsgroup"

*- "A red flag that something isn't right with the Church of
Scientology"

*- "How Scientology Creates Identity Confusion"

*- "Don't ever send your mail to other people on this newsgroup!"

*- "Giving Scientology a taste of its own medicine"

*- "OSA's tactics in a nutshell"

*- "The effect The Church of Scientology is aiming for with those
"Xenu" web sites"

*- "The key to how The Church of Scientology is trying to handle this
newsgroup"

*- "The Magical Transformation of Church Member into Critic"

*- "The one thing the Church of Scientology won't help you go "free"
from"

*- "The subject of CONTROL and the Church of Scientology"

*- "The truth about the book "Introduction to Scientology Ethics""

*- "There are two justice systems in Scientology"

*- "Be careful logging on to Scientology related web sites!"

*- "Church of Scientology's Solution to Stopping Real Critics &
Criticism of their church"

*- "Conclusions the Church of Scientology want you to come to"

*- "Here's the real reason the OSA trolls want you to go on those
"xenu" web sites"

*- "Is the Church of Scientology really helping you get somewhere?"

*- "Some ways to "handle" the Church of Scientology"

*- "Tactics OSA uses to stop critics on this newsgroup"

*- "The discrepancies between what's in Scientology's books and how
things are in reality"

*- "What a undercover OSA agent Will & Will Not do"

*- "Want to know if you have been manipulated by Scientology?"

*- "What a Scientology Staff member sees when they look at you"

*- "What does the Church of Scientology have against free speech?"

*- "What to do so OSA can't hurt you on this newsgroup"

*- "Another Inconsistency in Tory's story"

*- "Tory's real mission on this newsgroup"


If any of the articles listed in this index cannot be found, it
is probably because the Church of Scientology has illegally canceled
it in order to keep anybody from reading it. Please wait for me to
re-post it in the future.



Thank You.
roger gonnet
2004-04-30 06:50:53 UTC
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Truth Seeker
2004-04-30 07:10:21 UTC
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What a undercover OSA agent Will do & Won't do:


The two most basic ways to know what a person is all about is by:
1. What they Do 2. What they Don't Do. It is what a person Does and
Does Not Do that shows what's in their heart. That is the basic
fundamental to knowing what they are really all about.

What an undercover OSA agent Won't Do:

1. Make a list of the names the undercover OSA agents are posting
under on this newsgroup.

An undercover OSA agent will admit there are OSA agents on this
newsgroup but will never make a list of which he feels are the
undercover OSA agents and post it. An undercover OSA agent will always
invalidate any list posted by a real critic but will never post a list
himself. If he ever does make a list it won't contain any real names
anybody has ever posted under, it will be just a joke on his part to
poke fun at a real critic who had put up a list of real names earlier.
For example, his list will contain something like "Elmer Fudd",
"Scooby Doo", or "Bugs Bunny", names nobody has ever posted under,
that will be his "list" of undercover OSA agents.

In the past the OSA agents have been fond of saying that I'm the
undercover OSA agent on this newsgroup. This newsgroup is big source
of bad PR for Scientology and they would have assigned at least 5-10
OSA agents from different Orgs with the job of "handling" it. This
newsgroup goes all the way around the world and there is no way they
are going to assign just one person to that task. If they used only
one person, who would be handling the newsgroup while he was asleep?
Remember, there are articles posting on this newsgroup 24 hours a day.

2. Do something to hurt Scientology in any real way.

You will never catch a undercover OSA agent going to nationwide TV
like Bob Minton did unless it was to embarrass the real critics of
Scientology by saying crazy stupid things in front of the camera.
Sometimes when an undercover OSA agent feels he has the world
convinced he is an enemy of Scientology and is a easy person for the
Church of Scientology to discredit, like Arnie Lerma, he will go in
front of a camera looking like a nutcase lowlife and saying outlandish
things which only discredits him. Since the viewers think he is a
critic of Scientology, he has effectively discredited the critics of
Scientology also. This is all just what the Church of Scientology
wants to have happen.

What an undercover OSA agent Will Do:

1. Attack any article that is hurtful to Scientology and the person
who posted it.

Anytime there is a article that is posted that would cause the
reader to want to move away from Scientology, the undercover OSA
agents will attack it. For example, if there was an article like this
"How Scientology traps news members", the undercover OSA agents will
attack it. They will try to: 1. Block anybody from reading it by
posting a response that tries to change the subject. 2. Trivialize the
subject. 3. Confuse the subject. 4. Try to direct the reader to one or
more web sites controlled by OSA. 5. Try to discredit the poster by
saying he or she is a Scientologist, or a nutcase.

2. Try to "body route" the reader's attention off this newsgroup and
on to a web site.

The reason the Church of Scientology does this is because this
newsgroup is dangerous to them because they can't control it.
Scientology is an organization that likes it best when it has complete
control over things. Because this newsgroup is not under their control
it could contain some criticism that could be truly hurtful to
Scientology. Another reason is because they can't track who it is that
is posting or reading articles on this newsgroup. If the reader logs
onto a web site controlled by Scientology, the person logging on can
be traced just like you would trace a phone call back to where it was
placed. Anytime you see someone pushing "this web site" or "that web
site" is trying to "body route" you off this newsgroup. Anybody has
the right to include a web address in their article but if they put
web addresses in almost all there articles or keep pushing hard for
you to go to "this web site" or "that web site", more than likely it's
an undercover OSA agent. If they have something to say, why couldn't
they post it or say it on this newsgroup? Why do they insist you read
it elsewhere? Answer: Because they want you out of here. If you stay
around here on this newsgroup you might read something truly damaging
to their church.

3. Post articles that appear to be critical of Scientology but only
has the effect of discrediting the critics of Scientology.

Inside that article will contain a few lines of false data that
was deliberately inserted by Scientology. They put the false data in
the article so the reader will discover it. After discovering the
false data, the reader will conclude, seemingly on his own, that the
person who wrote it either doesn't know what he's talking about or is
a liar. Since the person reading the article believes that the person
who wrote the article is a critic of Scientology, he will come to the
conclusion, again seemingly on his own, that the critics of
Scientology don't know what they are talking about or are liars. If
the person reading the article comes to either one these conclusions
it would benefit Scientology, which is the reason why the article was
created and posted in the first place.

4. Post articles that are trivial in nature which leaves the reader
bored or coming away with a response of "Who cares?".

They create what looks like criticism on the surface but it
doesn't really tell you anything that is hurtful to Scientology. The
normal response you get from reading this type of phony criticism is:
"Oh well, who cares about that?". They make it look like criticism of
Scientology but it doesn't contain any real substance. They are hoping
the reader will get bored with reading the articles on this newsgroup
and leave. There is another reason why they are trying to bore the
reader with boring fake criticism. They feel that most of people who
are reading this newsgroup are angry and looking for blood and guts
criticism of Scientology. By posting articles that are at 2.5
(boredom) on the tone scale they are hoping to handle the angry 1.5
who's reading it. L. Ron Hubbard said that boredom will handle an
angry person and this is another reason why they employ it.




Truth Seeker
++++++++++

"The first battle a warrior must win is the battle for his own mind"


Here is a list of the titles of all the articles posted earlier
to this newsgroup that the Church of Scientology does not want you to
read. If you're having a hard time finding them, just do a search on
the title of the article within this newsgroup with your newsreader or
go to google.com, select "groups" and enter the title of the article.


*- "The Church of Scientology's recruiting and control operation"

*- "7 good reasons why you should stay away from Scientology"

*- "The FAQ for Alt.Religion.Scientology"

*- "When does a Scientologist cease to be a Scientologist?"

*- "Could Scientology be Hubbard's greatest Sci-Fi novel come to life
for some people?"

*- "Could using a "tone scale" be a good way to make people wrong?"

*- "Never reveal your true identity on this newsgroup!"

*- "The injustice that was leveled against me by the Church of
Scientology"

*- "Names the Church of Scientology is posting under on this
newsgroup"

*- "Was the book: "Dianetics" an attempt you make you wrong?"

*- "The Real Source of Happiness"

*- "Understanding how Scientology is going about discrediting their
enemies"

*- "Want to know a good way to spot the undercover scientologists on
this newsgroup?"

*- "The Church of Scientology creates their own enemies"

*- "The Church of Scientology is a mind control organization"

*- "The Church of Scientology is like a shadow"

*- "The Church of Scientology's Decoy System"

*- "Be careful of somebody trying to get you to put your name on a
petition!"

*- "Arnie Lerma answers this important question"

*- "How Scientology is playing both sides of the coin"

*- "How Scientology wants the reader to Misidentify things on this
newsgroup"

*- "How the Church of Scientology tries to discredit it's critics"

*- "How to know if you have been manipulated by OSA on this newsgroup"

*- "How to spot the OSA members on this newsgroup"

*- "This is how to destroy the Church of Scientology"

*- "Another trick Scientologists who are pretending to be critics use
on this newsgroup"

*- "A red flag that something isn't right with the Church of
Scientology"

*- "How Scientology Creates Identity Confusion"

*- "Don't ever send your mail to other people on this newsgroup!"

*- "Giving Scientology a taste of its own medicine"

*- "OSA's tactics in a nutshell"

*- "The effect The Church of Scientology is aiming for with those
"Xenu" web sites"

*- "The key to how The Church of Scientology is trying to handle this
newsgroup"

*- "The Magical Transformation of Church Member into Critic"

*- "The one thing the Church of Scientology won't help you go "free"
from"

*- "The subject of CONTROL and the Church of Scientology"

*- "The truth about the book "Introduction to Scientology Ethics""

*- "There are two justice systems in Scientology"

*- "Be careful logging on to Scientology related web sites!"

*- "Church of Scientology's Solution to Stopping Real Critics &
Criticism of their church"

*- "Conclusions the Church of Scientology want you to come to"

*- "Here's the real reason the OSA trolls want you to go on those
"xenu" web sites"

*- "Is the Church of Scientology really helping you get somewhere?"

*- "Some ways to "handle" the Church of Scientology"

*- "Tactics OSA uses to stop critics on this newsgroup"

*- "The discrepancies between what's in Scientology's books and how
things are in reality"

*- "What a undercover OSA agent Will & Will Not do"

*- "Want to know if you have been manipulated by Scientology?"

*- "What a Scientology Staff member sees when they look at you"

*- "What does the Church of Scientology have against free speech?"

*- "What to do so OSA can't hurt you on this newsgroup"

*- "Another Inconsistency in Tory's story"

*- "Tory's real mission on this newsgroup"


If any of the articles listed in this index cannot be found, it
is probably because the Church of Scientology has illegally canceled
it in order to keep anybody from reading it. Please wait for me to
re-post it in the future.



Thank You.
roger gonnet
2004-04-30 08:38:40 UTC
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Truth Seeker
2004-04-30 10:24:21 UTC
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Remember, "roger gonnet" is a La Undercover OSA agent from France:


He's one of their agents they have in France. He's a La OSA man and he
knows it. You see he doesn't write articles, that's not really his job, his
job is to RESPOND to articles that put his beloved church in a negative
light.



Truth Seeker
=========
Android Cat
2004-04-30 14:31:35 UTC
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Post by Truth Seeker
He's one of their agents they have in France. He's a La OSA man
and he knows it. You see he doesn't write articles, that's not really
his job, his job is to RESPOND to articles that put his beloved
church in a negative light.
Je m'excuse, mais je pense que Roger voudra Le OSA agent pas La.

*Poink*! Did those annoying "La Beer" ads also run in the US? (They were
for Labatte, a Canadian beer, right?)
--
Ron of that ilk.
Mike O'Connor
2004-04-30 17:37:40 UTC
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Post by Truth Seeker
1. What they Do 2. What they Don't Do. It is what a person Does and
Does Not Do that shows what's in their heart. That is the basic
fundamental to knowing what they are really all about.
What you do:

1) Work for Scientology from places of hiding, posing as a critic.

2) Embed information in your posts which Scientology wants passed, to
try to:

* Make people afraid to post here - better post anon or they'll
GETCHA!

* Encourage criticism to come from hidden, rather than open sources.

* Make people wonder if certain critics are really cult agents

* Make people wonder if certain cult agents are really critics.

3) Work to cause effects in the group and on the net:

* Get everyone disagreeing with everyone else to make the group seem
confused and bickering than it otherwise would be.

* Make it hard to navigate the group to get to the posts of your
targets.

* Make it hard for those searching for info on Scientology to find
information authored by your targets.

What you don't do:

1) Say who you are.

2) Say who you work for.

3) Say the truth about what you do and why.
--
LYING IS A SCIENTOLOGY SACRAMENT
ASK THEM ABOUT XENU
Mike O'Connor <http://www.leptonicsystems.com/>
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