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Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
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Praxis
2005-07-25 13:52:33 UTC
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Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
Added: (Mon Jul 25 2005)

LONDON - Police have told Scientologists to leave the bombed London
areas at the request of trauma therapists and medical workers. The
request follows in the wake of attempts by Scientologists to make a
financial profit from the terrorist attack that has so far claimed 56
lives and injured over 200 others.

"They are in the way," says emergency medical specialist Dr. Eugene
Nakie of the London Crisis and Mobilization Team. "(The Scientologists)
showed up here with their cameras and their books for sale, taking
photographs of the victims and rescue workers, and getting between
victims in need of treatment and medical personnel." Dr. Nakie was
treating a head wound on one victim when he was approached by a man
wearing a brilliant yellow jacket and was asked by the man if he could
touch the victim. "I told the man to leave, but he would not. When I
looked up for a police officer, I noticed a woman, also in a bright
yellow jacket, taking photographs of me, the victim, and my assailant."
Dr. Nakie stood up and physically pushed the man away. "I had about
enough of that nonsense," he said. "I got on my mobile telephone and
called a police officer for help, even knowing how busy they were at
the time dealing with the horror." Dr. Nakie gave an angry grimace,
made a fist and raised it to his face. "I wanted to punch the guy, but
I had injured people to help."

It is estimated that as many as 20 Scientology's ministers have come to
the city to sell Scientology literature and courses to the victims of
last week's bombings. "We know it is a problem," Police Constable
Morgan Paris said. "It was bedlam here, and keeping out the jackals and
thieves has been a major drain on law enforcement. We kept having to
throw them out of the area." PC Paris said orders to Scientologists
telling them to leave usually did no good. "They kept coming back. One
took my photograph a dozen times or more even after I told him to
cease. He ran away when I demanded the film be destroyed."

"They were a problem in New York," says International Red Cross worker
Cheryl Christie. "We got them thrown out of the World Trade Center area
the day after they arrived. We are more than a little angry they have
come to London to repeat their venal public relations stunts." Ms.
Christie said the Scientology ministers should be arrested for
interfering inside the bombing areas. "They were here taking pictures
and selling books within an hour of the first bomb going off."

Scientology teaches that "touch assists" will help heal injuries both
mental and physical. While trying to touch bomb victims and the family
members of the victims, Scientologists also sold Scientology booklets
for three pounds.

Submitted by: Brian English
RolandRB
2005-07-25 13:57:43 UTC
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Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
Added: (Mon Jul 25 2005)
LONDON - Police have told Scientologists to leave the bombed London
areas at the request of trauma therapists and medical workers. The
request follows in the wake of attempts by Scientologists to make a
financial profit from the terrorist attack that has so far claimed 56
lives and injured over 200 others.
RELIGIOUS BIGOTS !!!

The police must have been PDH'ed by those psyches.
tn
2005-07-25 14:03:40 UTC
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LOL
Feisty
2005-07-25 14:09:57 UTC
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"Praxis" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:***@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...


You wonder if TN's UK press release of Fred Rices page didn't help this...

Thanks TN!
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Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
Added: (Mon Jul 25 2005)
LONDON - Police have told Scientologists to leave the bombed London
areas at the request of trauma therapists and medical workers. The
request follows in the wake of attempts by Scientologists to make a
financial profit from the terrorist attack that has so far claimed 56
lives and injured over 200 others.
"They are in the way," says emergency medical specialist Dr. Eugene
Nakie of the London Crisis and Mobilization Team. "(The Scientologists)
showed up here with their cameras and their books for sale, taking
photographs of the victims and rescue workers, and getting between
victims in need of treatment and medical personnel." Dr. Nakie was
treating a head wound on one victim when he was approached by a man
wearing a brilliant yellow jacket and was asked by the man if he could
touch the victim.
There are obvious injuries and they are asking, "can I touch him?" how CREEPY!

But you see how the photos become the sales pr for selling the vm courses, etc.


"I told the man to leave, but he would not. When I
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looked up for a police officer, I noticed a woman, also in a bright
yellow jacket, taking photographs of me, the victim, and my assailant."
Dr. Nakie stood up and physically pushed the man away. "I had about
enough of that nonsense," he said. "I got on my mobile telephone and
called a police officer for help, even knowing how busy they were at
the time dealing with the horror." Dr. Nakie gave an angry grimace,
made a fist and raised it to his face. "I wanted to punch the guy, but
I had injured people to help."
They take more photos than do anything.
Post by Praxis
It is estimated that as many as 20 Scientology's ministers have come to
the city to sell Scientology literature and courses to the victims of
last week's bombings. "We know it is a problem," Police Constable
Morgan Paris said.
"It was bedlam here, and keeping out the jackals and
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thieves has been a major drain on law enforcement. We kept having to
throw them out of the area." PC Paris said orders to Scientologists
telling them to leave usually did no good. "They kept coming back. One
took my photograph a dozen times or more even after I told him to
cease. He ran away when I demanded the film be destroyed."
They ought to be arrested at that point don't you think, for peddling and harassment?
Post by Praxis
"They were a problem in New York," says International Red Cross worker
Cheryl Christie. "We got them thrown out of the World Trade Center area
the day after they arrived. We are more than a little angry they have
come to London to repeat their venal public relations stunts." Ms.
Christie said the Scientology ministers should be arrested for
interfering inside the bombing areas. "They were here taking pictures
and selling books within an hour of the first bomb going off."
pr stunts and raw meat
Post by Praxis
Scientology teaches that "touch assists" will help heal injuries both
mental and physical. While trying to touch bomb victims and the family
members of the victims, Scientologists also sold Scientology booklets
for three pounds.
Predatory Relations (PR)
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Submitted by: Brian English
Feisty
Kim Palmer
2005-07-25 14:11:32 UTC
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Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
Added: (Mon Jul 25 2005)
LONDON - Police have told Scientologists to leave the bombed London
areas at the request of trauma therapists and medical workers. The
request follows in the wake of attempts by Scientologists to make a
financial profit from the terrorist attack that has so far claimed 56
lives and injured over 200 others.
"They are in the way," says emergency medical specialist Dr. Eugene
Nakie of the London Crisis and Mobilization Team. "(The Scientologists)
showed up here with their cameras and their books for sale, taking
photographs of the victims and rescue workers,
PR PR MUST GET PR... what a bunch of vultures...

and getting between
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victims in need of treatment and medical personnel." Dr. Nakie was
treating a head wound on one victim when he was approached by a man
wearing a brilliant yellow jacket and was asked by the man if he could
touch the victim. "I told the man to leave, but he would not. When I
looked up for a police officer, I noticed a woman, also in a bright
yellow jacket, taking photographs of me, the victim, and my assailant."
GREAT PR - must get MORE PR... stats push...
Post by Praxis
Dr. Nakie stood up and physically pushed the man away. "I had about
enough of that nonsense," he said. "I got on my mobile telephone and
called a police officer for help, even knowing how busy they were at
the time dealing with the horror." Dr. Nakie gave an angry grimace,
made a fist and raised it to his face. "I wanted to punch the guy, but
I had injured people to help."
Pathetic that this money grubbing cult cannot show even a modicum of
restraint...
Post by Praxis
It is estimated that as many as 20 Scientology's ministers have come to
the city to sell Scientology literature and courses to the victims of
last week's bombings.
Sell?? At a disaster site?/ How opportunistic and inhumane of them.

"We know it is a problem," Police Constable
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Morgan Paris said. "It was bedlam here, and keeping out the jackals and
thieves has been a major drain on law enforcement. We kept having to
throw them out of the area." PC Paris said orders to Scientologists
telling them to leave usually did no good. "They kept coming back. One
took my photograph a dozen times or more even after I told him to
cease. He ran away when I demanded the film be destroyed."
Cannot possibly lose that lovely PR now can we...
Post by Praxis
"They were a problem in New York," says International Red Cross worker
Cheryl Christie. "We got them thrown out of the World Trade Center area
the day after they arrived. We are more than a little angry they have
come to London to repeat their venal public relations stunts." Ms.
Christie said the Scientology ministers should be arrested for
interfering inside the bombing areas. "They were here taking pictures
and selling books within an hour of the first bomb going off."
calling it like it is - money grubbing vultures
Post by Praxis
Scientology teaches that "touch assists" will help heal injuries both
mental and physical. While trying to touch bomb victims and the family
members of the victims, Scientologists also sold Scientology booklets
for three pounds.
Submitted by: Brian English
Hope this story gets sent around the world to show those dimbulbs in
hollywood just how disgusting this so-called "church" is

Kim P
barb
2005-07-25 15:51:50 UTC
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http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/International/Scientology_Volunteer_Ministers_told_to_Leave_Crisis_Areas_32622.html
Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
Added: (Mon Jul 25 2005)
LONDON - Police have told Scientologists to leave the bombed London
areas at the request of trauma therapists and medical workers. The
request follows in the wake of attempts by Scientologists to make a
financial profit from the terrorist attack that has so far claimed 56
lives and injured over 200 others.
"They are in the way," says emergency medical specialist Dr. Eugene
Nakie of the London Crisis and Mobilization Team. "(The Scientologists)
showed up here with their cameras and their books for sale, taking
photographs of the victims and rescue workers,
PR PR MUST GET PR... what a bunch of vultures...
and getting between
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victims in need of treatment and medical personnel." Dr. Nakie was
treating a head wound on one victim when he was approached by a man
wearing a brilliant yellow jacket and was asked by the man if he could
touch the victim. "I told the man to leave, but he would not. When I
looked up for a police officer, I noticed a woman, also in a bright
yellow jacket, taking photographs of me, the victim, and my assailant."
GREAT PR - must get MORE PR... stats push...
Post by Praxis
Dr. Nakie stood up and physically pushed the man away. "I had about
enough of that nonsense," he said. "I got on my mobile telephone and
called a police officer for help, even knowing how busy they were at
the time dealing with the horror." Dr. Nakie gave an angry grimace,
made a fist and raised it to his face. "I wanted to punch the guy, but
I had injured people to help."
Pathetic that this money grubbing cult cannot show even a modicum of
restraint...
Post by Praxis
It is estimated that as many as 20 Scientology's ministers have come to
the city to sell Scientology literature and courses to the victims of
last week's bombings.
Sell?? At a disaster site?/ How opportunistic and inhumane of them.
"We know it is a problem," Police Constable
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Morgan Paris said. "It was bedlam here, and keeping out the jackals and
thieves has been a major drain on law enforcement. We kept having to
throw them out of the area." PC Paris said orders to Scientologists
telling them to leave usually did no good. "They kept coming back. One
took my photograph a dozen times or more even after I told him to
cease. He ran away when I demanded the film be destroyed."
Cannot possibly lose that lovely PR now can we...
Post by Praxis
"They were a problem in New York," says International Red Cross worker
Cheryl Christie. "We got them thrown out of the World Trade Center area
the day after they arrived. We are more than a little angry they have
come to London to repeat their venal public relations stunts." Ms.
Christie said the Scientology ministers should be arrested for
interfering inside the bombing areas. "They were here taking pictures
and selling books within an hour of the first bomb going off."
calling it like it is - money grubbing vultures
Post by Praxis
Scientology teaches that "touch assists" will help heal injuries both
mental and physical. While trying to touch bomb victims and the family
members of the victims, Scientologists also sold Scientology booklets
for three pounds.
Submitted by: Brian English
Hope this story gets sent around the world to show those dimbulbs in
hollywood just how disgusting this so-called "church" is
Kim P
I hope it doesn't, unless it's confirmed by a story in the real press.
Anybody can post a "press release" on this site. Who is Brian English?
What confirmation do we have that these interviewees exist, that English
actually interviewed them, etc? He coulda just pulled this out of his
ass, you know. I would like to see this story in a different venue
before putting any value to it.
--
--barb
Chaplain,ARSCC

"Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release
form before you can receive its "spiritual assistance."
This assistance might involve holding you against your
will for an indefinite period, isolating you from
friends and family, and denying you access to
appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed
for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not,
the release form absolves your caretakers of all
responsibility for your suffering and death.

Welcome to the Church of Scientology."

--Dr. Dave Touretzky
Peter Alexander
WCB
2005-07-25 14:53:53 UTC
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Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
Added: (Mon Jul 25 2005)
LONDON - Police have told Scientologists to leave the bombed London
areas at the request of trauma therapists and medical workers. The
request follows in the wake of attempts by Scientologists to make a
financial profit from the terrorist attack that has so far claimed 56
lives and injured over 200 others.
"They are in the way," says emergency medical specialist Dr. Eugene
Nakie of the London Crisis and Mobilization Team. "(The Scientologists)
showed up here with their cameras and their books for sale, taking
photographs of the victims and rescue workers, and getting between
victims in need of treatment and medical personnel." Dr. Nakie was
treating a head wound on one victim when he was approached by a man
wearing a brilliant yellow jacket and was asked by the man if he could
touch the victim. "I told the man to leave, but he would not. When I
looked up for a police officer, I noticed a woman, also in a bright
yellow jacket, taking photographs of me, the victim, and my assailant."
Dr. Nakie stood up and physically pushed the man away. "I had about
enough of that nonsense," he said. "I got on my mobile telephone and
called a police officer for help, even knowing how busy they were at
the time dealing with the horror." Dr. Nakie gave an angry grimace,
made a fist and raised it to his face. "I wanted to punch the guy, but
I had injured people to help."
It is estimated that as many as 20 Scientology's ministers have come to
the city to sell Scientology literature and courses to the victims of
last week's bombings. "We know it is a problem," Police Constable
Morgan Paris said. "It was bedlam here, and keeping out the jackals and
thieves has been a major drain on law enforcement. We kept having to
throw them out of the area." PC Paris said orders to Scientologists
telling them to leave usually did no good. "They kept coming back. One
took my photograph a dozen times or more even after I told him to
cease. He ran away when I demanded the film be destroyed."
"They were a problem in New York," says International Red Cross worker
Cheryl Christie. "We got them thrown out of the World Trade Center area
the day after they arrived. We are more than a little angry they have
come to London to repeat their venal public relations stunts." Ms.
Christie said the Scientology ministers should be arrested for
interfering inside the bombing areas. "They were here taking pictures
and selling books within an hour of the first bomb going off."
Scientology teaches that "touch assists" will help heal injuries both
mental and physical. While trying to touch bomb victims and the family
members of the victims, Scientologists also sold Scientology booklets
for three pounds.
Submitted by: Brian English
Well it didn't take long for these ignorant schlubs to make
themselves most unpopular.
--
When I shake my killfile I can hear them buzzing.
i***@aol.com
2005-07-25 15:11:59 UTC
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I think the suggestion to see that this news of the money grabbing
"yellow jackets"
should be mailed to all reporters . To media newspapers that continue
to promote the likes of the Unqualified "doctor" Tom Cruise and his
hatred of psychiatry.
Doesn't take but a flash to copy-paste and forward the above
information. We all
know they will be at the next disaster area here .
One of the most deadly wasps is named "Yellow Jacket" How perfect is
the name
of these stinging little money grubbers. True Believers of the con
artist LRon Hubbard. He taught them and until they find the truth they
will continue their
dirty work for the cult.

Ida Camburn
www.xenu.net
tikk
2005-07-25 15:11:56 UTC
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Before everyone excitedly starts emailing this out, please note that this
'article' appears on a PR newswire dump, marking its legitimacy as less than
certain. The article appears nowhere else. Additionally, none of the
people quoted in the article appear elsewhere in Google relative to their
alleged organizations (and zero Google hits for "London Crisis and
Mobilization Team").

The article reads like it was made up too - the Red Cross has been far more
politically subtle commenting on the Scientologists' involvement in the
past. Also, the account of "Dr. Nakie" is sensationally framed as if the
reporter is actually present, the Doctor calmly answering his questions
while treating head wounds. Right. An actual reporter would write that
"Dr. Nakie claimed that he was treating a head wound when..." and "Dr. Nakie
says he then stood up..."., since he/she would have no way of knowing
whether Nakie was telling the truth. It's also a bit dubious that a doctor
would be quoted wishing he could "punch someone".

It also seems unlikely that a police constable would demand that film be
destroyed, much less mention as much to a reporter.

It's a shame that someone would make this up, because it is probably a fair
and accurate *fictional* account of what the actual medical professionals on
the scene of the London bombings might have *thought* of the VMs who
ghoulishly arrived to deliver massages, pseudoscience, and pamphlets. There
is enough bad inside the truth about Scientology to alert the press without
resorting to making stories up. If you burn the press with a fake story
they'll be less likely to believe you next time around.

~ tikk
Post by Praxis
From
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/International/Scientology_Volunteer_Ministers_told_to_Leave_Crisis_Areas_32622.html
Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
Added: (Mon Jul 25 2005)
LONDON - Police have told Scientologists to leave the bombed London
areas at the request of trauma therapists and medical workers. The
request follows in the wake of attempts by Scientologists to make a
financial profit from the terrorist attack that has so far claimed 56
lives and injured over 200 others.
"They are in the way," says emergency medical specialist Dr. Eugene
Nakie of the London Crisis and Mobilization Team. "(The Scientologists)
showed up here with their cameras and their books for sale, taking
photographs of the victims and rescue workers, and getting between
victims in need of treatment and medical personnel." Dr. Nakie was
treating a head wound on one victim when he was approached by a man
wearing a brilliant yellow jacket and was asked by the man if he could
touch the victim. "I told the man to leave, but he would not. When I
looked up for a police officer, I noticed a woman, also in a bright
yellow jacket, taking photographs of me, the victim, and my assailant."
Dr. Nakie stood up and physically pushed the man away. "I had about
enough of that nonsense," he said. "I got on my mobile telephone and
called a police officer for help, even knowing how busy they were at
the time dealing with the horror." Dr. Nakie gave an angry grimace,
made a fist and raised it to his face. "I wanted to punch the guy, but
I had injured people to help."
It is estimated that as many as 20 Scientology's ministers have come to
the city to sell Scientology literature and courses to the victims of
last week's bombings. "We know it is a problem," Police Constable
Morgan Paris said. "It was bedlam here, and keeping out the jackals and
thieves has been a major drain on law enforcement. We kept having to
throw them out of the area." PC Paris said orders to Scientologists
telling them to leave usually did no good. "They kept coming back. One
took my photograph a dozen times or more even after I told him to
cease. He ran away when I demanded the film be destroyed."
"They were a problem in New York," says International Red Cross worker
Cheryl Christie. "We got them thrown out of the World Trade Center area
the day after they arrived. We are more than a little angry they have
come to London to repeat their venal public relations stunts." Ms.
Christie said the Scientology ministers should be arrested for
interfering inside the bombing areas. "They were here taking pictures
and selling books within an hour of the first bomb going off."
Scientology teaches that "touch assists" will help heal injuries both
mental and physical. While trying to touch bomb victims and the family
members of the victims, Scientologists also sold Scientology booklets
for three pounds.
Submitted by: Brian English
Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam
2005-07-25 15:49:51 UTC
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Post by tikk
Before everyone excitedly starts emailing this out, please note that this
'article' appears on a PR newswire dump, marking its legitimacy as less than
certain. The article appears nowhere else. Additionally, none of the
people quoted in the article appear elsewhere in Google relative to their
alleged organizations (and zero Google hits for "London Crisis and
Mobilization Team").
The article reads like it was made up too - the Red Cross has been far more
politically subtle commenting on the Scientologists' involvement in the
past. Also, the account of "Dr. Nakie" is sensationally framed as if the
reporter is actually present, the Doctor calmly answering his questions
while treating head wounds. Right. An actual reporter would write that
"Dr. Nakie claimed that he was treating a head wound when..." and "Dr. Nakie
says he then stood up..."., since he/she would have no way of knowing
whether Nakie was telling the truth. It's also a bit dubious that a doctor
would be quoted wishing he could "punch someone".
It also seems unlikely that a police constable would demand that film be
destroyed, much less mention as much to a reporter.
It's a shame that someone would make this up, because it is probably a fair
and accurate *fictional* account of what the actual medical professionals on
the scene of the London bombings might have *thought* of the VMs who
ghoulishly arrived to deliver massages, pseudoscience, and pamphlets. There
is enough bad inside the truth about Scientology to alert the press without
resorting to making stories up. If you burn the press with a fake story
they'll be less likely to believe you next time around.
~ tikk
Post by Praxis
From
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/International/Scientology_Volunteer_Ministers_told_to_Leave_Crisis_Areas_32622.html
Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
Added: (Mon Jul 25 2005)
LONDON - Police have told Scientologists to leave the bombed London
areas at the request of trauma therapists and medical workers. The
request follows in the wake of attempts by Scientologists to make a
financial profit from the terrorist attack that has so far claimed 56
lives and injured over 200 others.
"They are in the way," says emergency medical specialist Dr. Eugene
Nakie of the London Crisis and Mobilization Team. "(The Scientologists)
showed up here with their cameras and their books for sale, taking
photographs of the victims and rescue workers, and getting between
victims in need of treatment and medical personnel." Dr. Nakie was
treating a head wound on one victim when he was approached by a man
wearing a brilliant yellow jacket and was asked by the man if he could
touch the victim. "I told the man to leave, but he would not. When I
looked up for a police officer, I noticed a woman, also in a bright
yellow jacket, taking photographs of me, the victim, and my assailant."
Dr. Nakie stood up and physically pushed the man away. "I had about
enough of that nonsense," he said. "I got on my mobile telephone and
called a police officer for help, even knowing how busy they were at
the time dealing with the horror." Dr. Nakie gave an angry grimace,
made a fist and raised it to his face. "I wanted to punch the guy, but
I had injured people to help."
It is estimated that as many as 20 Scientology's ministers have come to
the city to sell Scientology literature and courses to the victims of
last week's bombings. "We know it is a problem," Police Constable
Morgan Paris said. "It was bedlam here, and keeping out the jackals and
thieves has been a major drain on law enforcement. We kept having to
throw them out of the area." PC Paris said orders to Scientologists
telling them to leave usually did no good. "They kept coming back. One
took my photograph a dozen times or more even after I told him to
cease. He ran away when I demanded the film be destroyed."
"They were a problem in New York," says International Red Cross worker
Cheryl Christie. "We got them thrown out of the World Trade Center area
the day after they arrived. We are more than a little angry they have
come to London to repeat their venal public relations stunts." Ms.
Christie said the Scientology ministers should be arrested for
interfering inside the bombing areas. "They were here taking pictures
and selling books within an hour of the first bomb going off."
Scientology teaches that "touch assists" will help heal injuries both
mental and physical. While trying to touch bomb victims and the family
members of the victims, Scientologists also sold Scientology booklets
for three pounds.
Submitted by: Brian English
Even if your assumptions above would prove correct, the following are
true:

Revolting Vultures Vehemently Violating Virtually any Victim at any
Disaster -
spells VM.

Ulf Brettstam

"This volume probably contains more promises and less evidence per page
than has any publication since the invention of printing."
tikk
2005-07-25 16:11:01 UTC
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Post by Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam
Post by tikk
Before everyone excitedly starts emailing this out, please note that this
'article' appears on a PR newswire dump, marking its legitimacy as less than
certain. The article appears nowhere else. Additionally, none of the
people quoted in the article appear elsewhere in Google relative to their
alleged organizations (and zero Google hits for "London Crisis and
Mobilization Team").
The article reads like it was made up too - the Red Cross has been far more
politically subtle commenting on the Scientologists' involvement in the
past. Also, the account of "Dr. Nakie" is sensationally framed as if the
reporter is actually present, the Doctor calmly answering his questions
while treating head wounds. Right. An actual reporter would write that
"Dr. Nakie claimed that he was treating a head wound when..." and "Dr. Nakie
says he then stood up..."., since he/she would have no way of knowing
whether Nakie was telling the truth. It's also a bit dubious that a doctor
would be quoted wishing he could "punch someone".
It also seems unlikely that a police constable would demand that film be
destroyed, much less mention as much to a reporter.
It's a shame that someone would make this up, because it is probably a fair
and accurate *fictional* account of what the actual medical professionals on
the scene of the London bombings might have *thought* of the VMs who
ghoulishly arrived to deliver massages, pseudoscience, and pamphlets.
There
is enough bad inside the truth about Scientology to alert the press without
resorting to making stories up. If you burn the press with a fake story
they'll be less likely to believe you next time around.
~ tikk
Post by Praxis
From
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/International/Scientology_Volunteer_Ministers_told_to_Leave_Crisis_Areas_32622.html
Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
Added: (Mon Jul 25 2005)
LONDON - Police have told Scientologists to leave the bombed London
areas at the request of trauma therapists and medical workers. The
request follows in the wake of attempts by Scientologists to make a
financial profit from the terrorist attack that has so far claimed 56
lives and injured over 200 others.
"They are in the way," says emergency medical specialist Dr. Eugene
Nakie of the London Crisis and Mobilization Team. "(The Scientologists)
showed up here with their cameras and their books for sale, taking
photographs of the victims and rescue workers, and getting between
victims in need of treatment and medical personnel." Dr. Nakie was
treating a head wound on one victim when he was approached by a man
wearing a brilliant yellow jacket and was asked by the man if he could
touch the victim. "I told the man to leave, but he would not. When I
looked up for a police officer, I noticed a woman, also in a bright
yellow jacket, taking photographs of me, the victim, and my assailant."
Dr. Nakie stood up and physically pushed the man away. "I had about
enough of that nonsense," he said. "I got on my mobile telephone and
called a police officer for help, even knowing how busy they were at
the time dealing with the horror." Dr. Nakie gave an angry grimace,
made a fist and raised it to his face. "I wanted to punch the guy, but
I had injured people to help."
It is estimated that as many as 20 Scientology's ministers have come to
the city to sell Scientology literature and courses to the victims of
last week's bombings. "We know it is a problem," Police Constable
Morgan Paris said. "It was bedlam here, and keeping out the jackals and
thieves has been a major drain on law enforcement. We kept having to
throw them out of the area." PC Paris said orders to Scientologists
telling them to leave usually did no good. "They kept coming back. One
took my photograph a dozen times or more even after I told him to
cease. He ran away when I demanded the film be destroyed."
"They were a problem in New York," says International Red Cross worker
Cheryl Christie. "We got them thrown out of the World Trade Center area
the day after they arrived. We are more than a little angry they have
come to London to repeat their venal public relations stunts." Ms.
Christie said the Scientology ministers should be arrested for
interfering inside the bombing areas. "They were here taking pictures
and selling books within an hour of the first bomb going off."
Scientology teaches that "touch assists" will help heal injuries both
mental and physical. While trying to touch bomb victims and the family
members of the victims, Scientologists also sold Scientology booklets
for three pounds.
Submitted by: Brian English
Even if your assumptions above would prove correct, the following are
Revolting Vultures Vehemently Violating Virtually any Victim at any
Disaster -
spells VM.
So because the article strives to achieve a 'higher truth' it's ok that the
facts are made up?

~ tikk
Post by Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam
Ulf Brettstam
"This volume probably contains more promises and less evidence per page
than has any publication since the invention of printing."
Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam
2005-07-25 17:29:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by tikk
Post by Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam
Post by tikk
Before everyone excitedly starts emailing this out, please note that this
'article' appears on a PR newswire dump, marking its legitimacy as less than
certain. The article appears nowhere else. Additionally, none of the
people quoted in the article appear elsewhere in Google relative to their
alleged organizations (and zero Google hits for "London Crisis and
Mobilization Team").
The article reads like it was made up too - the Red Cross has been far more
politically subtle commenting on the Scientologists' involvement in the
past. Also, the account of "Dr. Nakie" is sensationally framed as if the
reporter is actually present, the Doctor calmly answering his questions
while treating head wounds. Right. An actual reporter would write that
"Dr. Nakie claimed that he was treating a head wound when..." and "Dr. Nakie
says he then stood up..."., since he/she would have no way of knowing
whether Nakie was telling the truth. It's also a bit dubious that a doctor
would be quoted wishing he could "punch someone".
It also seems unlikely that a police constable would demand that film be
destroyed, much less mention as much to a reporter.
It's a shame that someone would make this up, because it is probably a fair
and accurate *fictional* account of what the actual medical professionals on
the scene of the London bombings might have *thought* of the VMs who
ghoulishly arrived to deliver massages, pseudoscience, and pamphlets.
There
is enough bad inside the truth about Scientology to alert the press without
resorting to making stories up. If you burn the press with a fake story
they'll be less likely to believe you next time around.
~ tikk
Post by Praxis
From
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/International/Scientology_Volunteer_Ministers_told_to_Leave_Crisis_Areas_32622.html
Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
Added: (Mon Jul 25 2005)
LONDON - Police have told Scientologists to leave the bombed London
areas at the request of trauma therapists and medical workers. The
request follows in the wake of attempts by Scientologists to make a
financial profit from the terrorist attack that has so far claimed 56
lives and injured over 200 others.
"They are in the way," says emergency medical specialist Dr. Eugene
Nakie of the London Crisis and Mobilization Team. "(The Scientologists)
showed up here with their cameras and their books for sale, taking
photographs of the victims and rescue workers, and getting between
victims in need of treatment and medical personnel." Dr. Nakie was
treating a head wound on one victim when he was approached by a man
wearing a brilliant yellow jacket and was asked by the man if he could
touch the victim. "I told the man to leave, but he would not. When I
looked up for a police officer, I noticed a woman, also in a bright
yellow jacket, taking photographs of me, the victim, and my assailant."
Dr. Nakie stood up and physically pushed the man away. "I had about
enough of that nonsense," he said. "I got on my mobile telephone and
called a police officer for help, even knowing how busy they were at
the time dealing with the horror." Dr. Nakie gave an angry grimace,
made a fist and raised it to his face. "I wanted to punch the guy, but
I had injured people to help."
It is estimated that as many as 20 Scientology's ministers have come to
the city to sell Scientology literature and courses to the victims of
last week's bombings. "We know it is a problem," Police Constable
Morgan Paris said. "It was bedlam here, and keeping out the jackals and
thieves has been a major drain on law enforcement. We kept having to
throw them out of the area." PC Paris said orders to Scientologists
telling them to leave usually did no good. "They kept coming back. One
took my photograph a dozen times or more even after I told him to
cease. He ran away when I demanded the film be destroyed."
"They were a problem in New York," says International Red Cross worker
Cheryl Christie. "We got them thrown out of the World Trade Center area
the day after they arrived. We are more than a little angry they have
come to London to repeat their venal public relations stunts." Ms.
Christie said the Scientology ministers should be arrested for
interfering inside the bombing areas. "They were here taking pictures
and selling books within an hour of the first bomb going off."
Scientology teaches that "touch assists" will help heal injuries both
mental and physical. While trying to touch bomb victims and the family
members of the victims, Scientologists also sold Scientology booklets
for three pounds.
Submitted by: Brian English
Even if your assumptions above would prove correct, the following are
Revolting Vultures Vehemently Violating Virtually any Victim at any
Disaster -
spells VM.
So because the article strives to achieve a 'higher truth' it's ok that the
facts are made up?
Who argued that?

Revolting Vultures Vehemently Violating Virtually any Victim at any
Disaster - spells VM.

Is my personal opinion and the conclusion I have made trailing the
"footprints" of these scumbags in international media since 9/11.
Post by tikk
~ tikk
Ulf Brettstam

"This volume probably contains more promises and less evidence per
page
than has any publication since the invention of printing."
roger gonnet
2005-07-25 16:37:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam
Post by tikk
Before everyone excitedly starts emailing this out, please note that this
'article' appears on a PR newswire dump, marking its legitimacy as less than
certain. The article appears nowhere else. Additionally, none of the
people quoted in the article appear elsewhere in Google relative to their
alleged organizations (and zero Google hits for "London Crisis and
Mobilization Team").
Possibly so indeed; I did not notice that before recopying it again onto that
site.

But notice this: scientology itself has submitted tens of such articles before
to that website.

So, they would be quite ridicule to complain having been had by somebody
imitating their ways and methods, even if I disagree indeed *if* that message
was'nt based on facts. Scientology messages are ALMOST NEVER based on the exact
facts!

Take alook at the messages submitted by scientologists on that website (and
others submitted by other people)

http://www.pressbox.co.uk/cgi-bin/links/search.cgi?query=scientology&Go=Search&days=All



r
Post by Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam
Post by tikk
The article reads like it was made up too - the Red Cross has been far more
politically subtle commenting on the Scientologists' involvement in the
past. Also, the account of "Dr. Nakie" is sensationally framed as if the
reporter is actually present, the Doctor calmly answering his questions
while treating head wounds. Right. An actual reporter would write that
"Dr. Nakie claimed that he was treating a head wound when..." and "Dr. Nakie
says he then stood up..."., since he/she would have no way of knowing
whether Nakie was telling the truth. It's also a bit dubious that a doctor
would be quoted wishing he could "punch someone".
It also seems unlikely that a police constable would demand that film be
destroyed, much less mention as much to a reporter.
It's a shame that someone would make this up, because it is probably a fair
and accurate *fictional* account of what the actual medical professionals on
the scene of the London bombings might have *thought* of the VMs who
ghoulishly arrived to deliver massages, pseudoscience, and pamphlets. There
is enough bad inside the truth about Scientology to alert the press without
resorting to making stories up. If you burn the press with a fake story
they'll be less likely to believe you next time around.
~ tikk
Post by Praxis
From
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/International/Scientology_Volunteer_Ministers_told_to_Leave_Crisis_Areas_32622.html
Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
Added: (Mon Jul 25 2005)
LONDON - Police have told Scientologists to leave the bombed London
areas at the request of trauma therapists and medical workers. The
request follows in the wake of attempts by Scientologists to make a
financial profit from the terrorist attack that has so far claimed 56
lives and injured over 200 others.
"They are in the way," says emergency medical specialist Dr. Eugene
Nakie of the London Crisis and Mobilization Team. "(The Scientologists)
showed up here with their cameras and their books for sale, taking
photographs of the victims and rescue workers, and getting between
victims in need of treatment and medical personnel." Dr. Nakie was
treating a head wound on one victim when he was approached by a man
wearing a brilliant yellow jacket and was asked by the man if he could
touch the victim. "I told the man to leave, but he would not. When I
looked up for a police officer, I noticed a woman, also in a bright
yellow jacket, taking photographs of me, the victim, and my assailant."
Dr. Nakie stood up and physically pushed the man away. "I had about
enough of that nonsense," he said. "I got on my mobile telephone and
called a police officer for help, even knowing how busy they were at
the time dealing with the horror." Dr. Nakie gave an angry grimace,
made a fist and raised it to his face. "I wanted to punch the guy, but
I had injured people to help."
It is estimated that as many as 20 Scientology's ministers have come to
the city to sell Scientology literature and courses to the victims of
last week's bombings. "We know it is a problem," Police Constable
Morgan Paris said. "It was bedlam here, and keeping out the jackals and
thieves has been a major drain on law enforcement. We kept having to
throw them out of the area." PC Paris said orders to Scientologists
telling them to leave usually did no good. "They kept coming back. One
took my photograph a dozen times or more even after I told him to
cease. He ran away when I demanded the film be destroyed."
"They were a problem in New York," says International Red Cross worker
Cheryl Christie. "We got them thrown out of the World Trade Center area
the day after they arrived. We are more than a little angry they have
come to London to repeat their venal public relations stunts." Ms.
Christie said the Scientology ministers should be arrested for
interfering inside the bombing areas. "They were here taking pictures
and selling books within an hour of the first bomb going off."
Scientology teaches that "touch assists" will help heal injuries both
mental and physical. While trying to touch bomb victims and the family
members of the victims, Scientologists also sold Scientology booklets
for three pounds.
Submitted by: Brian English
Even if your assumptions above would prove correct, the following are
Revolting Vultures Vehemently Violating Virtually any Victim at any
Disaster -
spells VM.
Ulf Brettstam
"This volume probably contains more promises and less evidence per page
than has any publication since the invention of printing."
tikk
2005-07-25 16:57:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by roger gonnet
Post by Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam
Post by tikk
Before everyone excitedly starts emailing this out, please note that this
'article' appears on a PR newswire dump, marking its legitimacy as less than
certain. The article appears nowhere else. Additionally, none of the
people quoted in the article appear elsewhere in Google relative to their
alleged organizations (and zero Google hits for "London Crisis and
Mobilization Team").
Possibly so indeed; I did not notice that before recopying it again onto
that site.
But notice this: scientology itself has submitted tens of such articles
before to that website.
Just because Scientology does it does not make it ok for you to do it.
Scientology has very little credibility because they consistently do things
like this. The ends do not justify the means regardless of who is telling
'plausible truths'.

~ tikk
Post by roger gonnet
So, they would be quite ridicule to complain having been had by somebody
imitating their ways and methods, even if I disagree indeed *if* that
message was'nt based on facts. Scientology messages are ALMOST NEVER based
on the exact facts!
Take alook at the messages submitted by scientologists on that website
(and others submitted by other people)
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/cgi-bin/links/search.cgi?query=scientology&Go=Search&days=All
r
Post by Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam
Post by tikk
The article reads like it was made up too - the Red Cross has been far more
politically subtle commenting on the Scientologists' involvement in the
past. Also, the account of "Dr. Nakie" is sensationally framed as if the
reporter is actually present, the Doctor calmly answering his questions
while treating head wounds. Right. An actual reporter would write that
"Dr. Nakie claimed that he was treating a head wound when..." and "Dr. Nakie
says he then stood up..."., since he/she would have no way of knowing
whether Nakie was telling the truth. It's also a bit dubious that a doctor
would be quoted wishing he could "punch someone".
It also seems unlikely that a police constable would demand that film be
destroyed, much less mention as much to a reporter.
It's a shame that someone would make this up, because it is probably a fair
and accurate *fictional* account of what the actual medical
professionals on
the scene of the London bombings might have *thought* of the VMs who
ghoulishly arrived to deliver massages, pseudoscience, and pamphlets.
There
is enough bad inside the truth about Scientology to alert the press without
resorting to making stories up. If you burn the press with a fake story
they'll be less likely to believe you next time around.
~ tikk
Post by Praxis
From
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/International/Scientology_Volunteer_Ministers_told_to_Leave_Crisis_Areas_32622.html
Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
Added: (Mon Jul 25 2005)
LONDON - Police have told Scientologists to leave the bombed London
areas at the request of trauma therapists and medical workers. The
request follows in the wake of attempts by Scientologists to make a
financial profit from the terrorist attack that has so far claimed 56
lives and injured over 200 others.
"They are in the way," says emergency medical specialist Dr. Eugene
Nakie of the London Crisis and Mobilization Team. "(The
Scientologists)
showed up here with their cameras and their books for sale, taking
photographs of the victims and rescue workers, and getting between
victims in need of treatment and medical personnel." Dr. Nakie was
treating a head wound on one victim when he was approached by a man
wearing a brilliant yellow jacket and was asked by the man if he could
touch the victim. "I told the man to leave, but he would not. When I
looked up for a police officer, I noticed a woman, also in a bright
yellow jacket, taking photographs of me, the victim, and my assailant."
Dr. Nakie stood up and physically pushed the man away. "I had about
enough of that nonsense," he said. "I got on my mobile telephone and
called a police officer for help, even knowing how busy they were at
the time dealing with the horror." Dr. Nakie gave an angry grimace,
made a fist and raised it to his face. "I wanted to punch the guy, but
I had injured people to help."
It is estimated that as many as 20 Scientology's ministers have come to
the city to sell Scientology literature and courses to the victims of
last week's bombings. "We know it is a problem," Police Constable
Morgan Paris said. "It was bedlam here, and keeping out the jackals and
thieves has been a major drain on law enforcement. We kept having to
throw them out of the area." PC Paris said orders to Scientologists
telling them to leave usually did no good. "They kept coming back. One
took my photograph a dozen times or more even after I told him to
cease. He ran away when I demanded the film be destroyed."
"They were a problem in New York," says International Red Cross worker
Cheryl Christie. "We got them thrown out of the World Trade Center area
the day after they arrived. We are more than a little angry they have
come to London to repeat their venal public relations stunts." Ms.
Christie said the Scientology ministers should be arrested for
interfering inside the bombing areas. "They were here taking pictures
and selling books within an hour of the first bomb going off."
Scientology teaches that "touch assists" will help heal injuries both
mental and physical. While trying to touch bomb victims and the family
members of the victims, Scientologists also sold Scientology booklets
for three pounds.
Submitted by: Brian English
Even if your assumptions above would prove correct, the following are
Revolting Vultures Vehemently Violating Virtually any Victim at any
Disaster -
spells VM.
Ulf Brettstam
"This volume probably contains more promises and less evidence per page
than has any publication since the invention of printing."
roger gonnet
2005-07-26 08:28:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by tikk
Post by roger gonnet
Post by tikk
Before everyone excitedly starts emailing this out, please note that this
'article' appears on a PR newswire dump, marking its legitimacy as less than
certain. The article appears nowhere else. Additionally, none of the
people quoted in the article appear elsewhere in Google relative to their
alleged organizations (and zero Google hits for "London Crisis and
Mobilization Team").
Possibly so indeed; I did not notice that before recopying it again onto that
site.
But notice this: scientology itself has submitted tens of such articles
before to that website.
Just because Scientology does it does not make it ok for you to do it.
I agree, and that's not how I'm acting. But don't forget that the cult has most
certainly menanced the website to erase this message, whether true or a hoax...
Post by tikk
Scientology has very little credibility because they consistently do things
like this. The ends do not justify the means regardless of who is telling
'plausible truths'.
I agree.
Post by tikk
~ tikk
Post by roger gonnet
So, they would be quite ridicule to complain having been had by somebody
imitating their ways and methods, even if I disagree indeed *if* that message
was'nt based on facts. Scientology messages are ALMOST NEVER based on the
exact facts!
Take alook at the messages submitted by scientologists on that website (and
others submitted by other people)
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/cgi-bin/links/search.cgi?query=scientology&Go=Search&days=All
r
roger gonnet
2005-07-27 09:13:53 UTC
Permalink
For the sake of the facts, I've added this press release :

Precisions about scientologists supposedly expelled from London areas
URL:
http://www.antisectes.net
Category:
Education
Description:
Precision about this message: Again: Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to
Leave Crisis Areas After more research and discussions about this article above,
my friends and me can suppose that the original author "Brian English" does not
exist as such, or has fabricated part of all the original message.
Since no explanation was given for its disparition from your web, and since the
cult scientology has the very bad habit to attack the publishers and authors of
such critical texts, even when they are factual, I recommended to repost it, and
"Pressbook" has resposted it (URL below).

It's a well known and documented fact that scientologists have been asked to
leave other catastrophe' areas, the most known being the World Trade Center.

So, it would be no surprise if they had indeed been expelled from London
sensible areas, but since no evidence has been found about the facts alleged in
the original article, we can suppose that the original was a hoax, or that its
author has twisted some facts, blurring the truth under his own allegations. (We
have the proof that they have officially asked their members to sell 3 £
booklets in the area).

Hoping this fits best to the facts, please link to the copy of original here:
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/Education/Again_Scientology_Volunteer_Ministers_told_to_Leave_Crisis_Areas_32709.html
to explain the situation.
Contact Name:
roger gonnet
Contact E-mail:
***@antisectes.net
cultxpt
2005-07-25 16:01:14 UTC
Permalink
There is a correlation with the Red Cross name, but no google success
on Dr. Nakie. I think the most important question is who is Brian
English (***@hotmail.com)? If this is a fake press release,
it doesn't say much for the pressbox web site.
Post by tikk
Before everyone excitedly starts emailing this out, please note that this
'article' appears on a PR newswire dump, marking its legitimacy as less than
certain. The article appears nowhere else. Additionally, none of the
people quoted in the article appear elsewhere in Google relative to their
alleged organizations (and zero Google hits for "London Crisis and
Mobilization Team").
The article reads like it was made up too - the Red Cross has been far more
politically subtle commenting on the Scientologists' involvement in the
past. Also, the account of "Dr. Nakie" is sensationally framed as if the
reporter is actually present, the Doctor calmly answering his questions
while treating head wounds. Right. An actual reporter would write that
"Dr. Nakie claimed that he was treating a head wound when..." and "Dr. Nakie
says he then stood up..."., since he/she would have no way of knowing
whether Nakie was telling the truth. It's also a bit dubious that a doctor
would be quoted wishing he could "punch someone".
It also seems unlikely that a police constable would demand that film be
destroyed, much less mention as much to a reporter.
It's a shame that someone would make this up, because it is probably a fair
and accurate *fictional* account of what the actual medical professionals on
the scene of the London bombings might have *thought* of the VMs who
ghoulishly arrived to deliver massages, pseudoscience, and pamphlets. There
is enough bad inside the truth about Scientology to alert the press without
resorting to making stories up. If you burn the press with a fake story
they'll be less likely to believe you next time around.
~ tikk
Post by Praxis
From
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/International/Scientology_Volunteer_Ministers_told_to_Leave_Crisis_Areas_32622.html
Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
Added: (Mon Jul 25 2005)
LONDON - Police have told Scientologists to leave the bombed London
areas at the request of trauma therapists and medical workers. The
request follows in the wake of attempts by Scientologists to make a
financial profit from the terrorist attack that has so far claimed 56
lives and injured over 200 others.
"They are in the way," says emergency medical specialist Dr. Eugene
Nakie of the London Crisis and Mobilization Team. "(The Scientologists)
showed up here with their cameras and their books for sale, taking
photographs of the victims and rescue workers, and getting between
victims in need of treatment and medical personnel." Dr. Nakie was
treating a head wound on one victim when he was approached by a man
wearing a brilliant yellow jacket and was asked by the man if he could
touch the victim. "I told the man to leave, but he would not. When I
looked up for a police officer, I noticed a woman, also in a bright
yellow jacket, taking photographs of me, the victim, and my assailant."
Dr. Nakie stood up and physically pushed the man away. "I had about
enough of that nonsense," he said. "I got on my mobile telephone and
called a police officer for help, even knowing how busy they were at
the time dealing with the horror." Dr. Nakie gave an angry grimace,
made a fist and raised it to his face. "I wanted to punch the guy, but
I had injured people to help."
It is estimated that as many as 20 Scientology's ministers have come to
the city to sell Scientology literature and courses to the victims of
last week's bombings. "We know it is a problem," Police Constable
Morgan Paris said. "It was bedlam here, and keeping out the jackals and
thieves has been a major drain on law enforcement. We kept having to
throw them out of the area." PC Paris said orders to Scientologists
telling them to leave usually did no good. "They kept coming back. One
took my photograph a dozen times or more even after I told him to
cease. He ran away when I demanded the film be destroyed."
"They were a problem in New York," says International Red Cross worker
Cheryl Christie. "We got them thrown out of the World Trade Center area
the day after they arrived. We are more than a little angry they have
come to London to repeat their venal public relations stunts." Ms.
Christie said the Scientology ministers should be arrested for
interfering inside the bombing areas. "They were here taking pictures
and selling books within an hour of the first bomb going off."
Scientology teaches that "touch assists" will help heal injuries both
mental and physical. While trying to touch bomb victims and the family
members of the victims, Scientologists also sold Scientology booklets
for three pounds.
Submitted by: Brian English
tn
2005-07-25 16:02:54 UTC
Permalink
The article has been removed by now.
roger gonnet
2005-07-25 16:22:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by tn
The article has been removed by now.
yes, cultists have probably pretended they'll sue the website. Curious to know.

or pretended that it was'nt true, that they were not selling anything, that they
were soooo good sooooooooooo charitable guys selling their £3 thin booklets in
exchange of true "donations" from people in need to know...

r
tn
2005-07-25 16:07:52 UTC
Permalink
I agree it doesn't say much for it. Then again that's the way so much
of Scientology's PR gets into the media all over the place.
tikk
2005-07-25 16:20:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by cultxpt
There is a correlation with the Red Cross name,
Are you sure you simply didn't find 7 pages containing both "Cheryl
Christie" and "Red Cross" (there is a Health Director in a Georgia county
named Cheryl Christie) or did you actually find a Red Cross worker with that
name?

~ tikk

but no google success
Post by cultxpt
on Dr. Nakie. I think the most important question is who is Brian
it doesn't say much for the pressbox web site.
Post by tikk
Before everyone excitedly starts emailing this out, please note that this
'article' appears on a PR newswire dump, marking its legitimacy as less than
certain. The article appears nowhere else. Additionally, none of the
people quoted in the article appear elsewhere in Google relative to their
alleged organizations (and zero Google hits for "London Crisis and
Mobilization Team").
The article reads like it was made up too - the Red Cross has been far more
politically subtle commenting on the Scientologists' involvement in the
past. Also, the account of "Dr. Nakie" is sensationally framed as if the
reporter is actually present, the Doctor calmly answering his questions
while treating head wounds. Right. An actual reporter would write that
"Dr. Nakie claimed that he was treating a head wound when..." and "Dr. Nakie
says he then stood up..."., since he/she would have no way of knowing
whether Nakie was telling the truth. It's also a bit dubious that a doctor
would be quoted wishing he could "punch someone".
It also seems unlikely that a police constable would demand that film be
destroyed, much less mention as much to a reporter.
It's a shame that someone would make this up, because it is probably a fair
and accurate *fictional* account of what the actual medical professionals on
the scene of the London bombings might have *thought* of the VMs who
ghoulishly arrived to deliver massages, pseudoscience, and pamphlets.
There
is enough bad inside the truth about Scientology to alert the press without
resorting to making stories up. If you burn the press with a fake story
they'll be less likely to believe you next time around.
~ tikk
Post by Praxis
From
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/International/Scientology_Volunteer_Ministers_told_to_Leave_Crisis_Areas_32622.html
Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
Added: (Mon Jul 25 2005)
LONDON - Police have told Scientologists to leave the bombed London
areas at the request of trauma therapists and medical workers. The
request follows in the wake of attempts by Scientologists to make a
financial profit from the terrorist attack that has so far claimed 56
lives and injured over 200 others.
"They are in the way," says emergency medical specialist Dr. Eugene
Nakie of the London Crisis and Mobilization Team. "(The Scientologists)
showed up here with their cameras and their books for sale, taking
photographs of the victims and rescue workers, and getting between
victims in need of treatment and medical personnel." Dr. Nakie was
treating a head wound on one victim when he was approached by a man
wearing a brilliant yellow jacket and was asked by the man if he could
touch the victim. "I told the man to leave, but he would not. When I
looked up for a police officer, I noticed a woman, also in a bright
yellow jacket, taking photographs of me, the victim, and my assailant."
Dr. Nakie stood up and physically pushed the man away. "I had about
enough of that nonsense," he said. "I got on my mobile telephone and
called a police officer for help, even knowing how busy they were at
the time dealing with the horror." Dr. Nakie gave an angry grimace,
made a fist and raised it to his face. "I wanted to punch the guy, but
I had injured people to help."
It is estimated that as many as 20 Scientology's ministers have come to
the city to sell Scientology literature and courses to the victims of
last week's bombings. "We know it is a problem," Police Constable
Morgan Paris said. "It was bedlam here, and keeping out the jackals and
thieves has been a major drain on law enforcement. We kept having to
throw them out of the area." PC Paris said orders to Scientologists
telling them to leave usually did no good. "They kept coming back. One
took my photograph a dozen times or more even after I told him to
cease. He ran away when I demanded the film be destroyed."
"They were a problem in New York," says International Red Cross worker
Cheryl Christie. "We got them thrown out of the World Trade Center area
the day after they arrived. We are more than a little angry they have
come to London to repeat their venal public relations stunts." Ms.
Christie said the Scientology ministers should be arrested for
interfering inside the bombing areas. "They were here taking pictures
and selling books within an hour of the first bomb going off."
Scientology teaches that "touch assists" will help heal injuries both
mental and physical. While trying to touch bomb victims and the family
members of the victims, Scientologists also sold Scientology booklets
for three pounds.
Submitted by: Brian English
Hartley Patterson
2005-07-25 17:48:17 UTC
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Post by tikk
Before everyone excitedly starts emailing this out, please note that this
'article' appears on a PR newswire dump, marking its legitimacy as less than
certain.
I'm afraid my reaction was the same. It reads like a journalist on the
spot, but has not appeared as yet on any of the websites of newspapers/TV
stations that we are monitoring via Google or directly. Its origin is not
given.

Its new content, that "Police have told Scientologists to leave the bombed
London areas at the request of trauma therapists and medical workers", will
surely appear in genuine news outlets if true. Meanwhile, I'd strongly
suggest that no one repost or repeat it.
--
Alt.Religion.Scientology FAQ
http://www.daisy.freeserve.co.uk/faq.htm
Eldonbraun
2005-07-25 18:02:22 UTC
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Post by Hartley Patterson
Post by tikk
Before everyone excitedly starts emailing this out, please note that this
'article' appears on a PR newswire dump, marking its legitimacy as less than
certain.
I'm afraid my reaction was the same. It reads like a journalist on the
spot, but has not appeared as yet on any of the websites of newspapers/TV
stations that we are monitoring via Google or directly. Its origin is not
given.
So if it is a hoax, it is a pretty decent hoax.
Post by Hartley Patterson
Its new content, that "Police have told Scientologists to leave the bombed
London areas at the request of trauma therapists and medical workers", will
surely appear in genuine news outlets if true. Meanwhile, I'd strongly
suggest that no one repost or repeat it.
I would suggest that if anyone does, to say it's possibly unfounded.
Like all the crap the Cof$ has been putting out through CCHR and
Narconon all these years. Maybe it's their karma ;-)
Post by Hartley Patterson
--
Alt.Religion.Scientology FAQ
http://www.daisy.freeserve.co.uk/faq.htm
mail.com (Enturbulation Order)
2005-07-26 20:58:59 UTC
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Post by Eldonbraun
Post by Hartley Patterson
Post by tikk
Before everyone excitedly starts emailing this out, please note that this
'article' appears on a PR newswire dump, marking its legitimacy as less than
certain.
I'm afraid my reaction was the same. It reads like a journalist on the
spot, but has not appeared as yet on any of the websites of newspapers/TV
stations that we are monitoring via Google or directly. Its origin is not
given.
So if it is a hoax, it is a pretty decent hoax.
Well, I suspect a journalist will not agree--- it seems rather
poorly done to me, on par with a prank instead of a hoax (though
of course I ain't no journalist). I Googled the names and nothing
showed up, which highly sugests it is a bogus "press release."
Post by Eldonbraun
Post by Hartley Patterson
Its new content, that "Police have told Scientologists to leave the bombed
London areas at the request of trauma therapists and medical workers", will
surely appear in genuine news outlets if true. Meanwhile, I'd strongly
suggest that no one repost or repeat it.
I would suggest that if anyone does, to say it's possibly unfounded.
Like all the crap the Cof$ has been putting out through CCHR and
Narconon all these years. Maybe it's their karma ;-)
If it was someone's idea of tit-for-tat, that person ought to
examine some real newspaper articles to see how they are written.
Ted Mayett
2005-07-25 19:46:29 UTC
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Thanks for the review tikk! Appreciated.
Post by tikk
Before everyone excitedly starts emailing this out, please note that this
'article' appears on a PR newswire dump, marking its legitimacy as less than
certain. The article appears nowhere else. Additionally, none of the
people quoted in the article appear elsewhere in Google relative to their
alleged organizations (and zero Google hits for "London Crisis and
Mobilization Team").
The article reads like it was made up too - the Red Cross has been far more
politically subtle commenting on the Scientologists' involvement in the
past. Also, the account of "Dr. Nakie" is sensationally framed as if the
reporter is actually present, the Doctor calmly answering his questions
while treating head wounds. Right. An actual reporter would write that
"Dr. Nakie claimed that he was treating a head wound when..." and "Dr. Nakie
says he then stood up..."., since he/she would have no way of knowing
whether Nakie was telling the truth. It's also a bit dubious that a doctor
would be quoted wishing he could "punch someone".
It also seems unlikely that a police constable would demand that film be
destroyed, much less mention as much to a reporter.
It's a shame that someone would make this up, because it is probably a fair
and accurate *fictional* account of what the actual medical professionals on
the scene of the London bombings might have *thought* of the VMs who
ghoulishly arrived to deliver massages, pseudoscience, and pamphlets. There
is enough bad inside the truth about Scientology to alert the press without
resorting to making stories up. If you burn the press with a fake story
they'll be less likely to believe you next time around.
~ tikk
Post by Praxis
From
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/International/Scientology_Volunteer_Ministers_told_to_Leave_Crisis_Areas_32622.html
Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
Added: (Mon Jul 25 2005)
LONDON - Police have told Scientologists to leave the bombed London
areas at the request of trauma therapists and medical workers. The
request follows in the wake of attempts by Scientologists to make a
financial profit from the terrorist attack that has so far claimed 56
lives and injured over 200 others.
"They are in the way," says emergency medical specialist Dr. Eugene
Nakie of the London Crisis and Mobilization Team. "(The Scientologists)
showed up here with their cameras and their books for sale, taking
photographs of the victims and rescue workers, and getting between
victims in need of treatment and medical personnel." Dr. Nakie was
treating a head wound on one victim when he was approached by a man
wearing a brilliant yellow jacket and was asked by the man if he could
touch the victim. "I told the man to leave, but he would not. When I
looked up for a police officer, I noticed a woman, also in a bright
yellow jacket, taking photographs of me, the victim, and my assailant."
Dr. Nakie stood up and physically pushed the man away. "I had about
enough of that nonsense," he said. "I got on my mobile telephone and
called a police officer for help, even knowing how busy they were at
the time dealing with the horror." Dr. Nakie gave an angry grimace,
made a fist and raised it to his face. "I wanted to punch the guy, but
I had injured people to help."
It is estimated that as many as 20 Scientology's ministers have come to
the city to sell Scientology literature and courses to the victims of
last week's bombings. "We know it is a problem," Police Constable
Morgan Paris said. "It was bedlam here, and keeping out the jackals and
thieves has been a major drain on law enforcement. We kept having to
throw them out of the area." PC Paris said orders to Scientologists
telling them to leave usually did no good. "They kept coming back. One
took my photograph a dozen times or more even after I told him to
cease. He ran away when I demanded the film be destroyed."
"They were a problem in New York," says International Red Cross worker
Cheryl Christie. "We got them thrown out of the World Trade Center area
the day after they arrived. We are more than a little angry they have
come to London to repeat their venal public relations stunts." Ms.
Christie said the Scientology ministers should be arrested for
interfering inside the bombing areas. "They were here taking pictures
and selling books within an hour of the first bomb going off."
Scientology teaches that "touch assists" will help heal injuries both
mental and physical. While trying to touch bomb victims and the family
members of the victims, Scientologists also sold Scientology booklets
for three pounds.
Submitted by: Brian English
--
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http://www.solitarytrees.net/pickets/links.htm
Fredric L. Rice
2005-07-26 02:23:29 UTC
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Post by tikk
Before everyone excitedly starts emailing this out, please note that this
'article' appears on a PR newswire dump, marking its legitimacy as less than
certain.
Yes, it looks like a hoax simply to judge by the words allegedly
used by the International Red Cross. Their people have plastic
cards or little binders that all volunteers are supposed to read
and are supposed to abide by when having a media contact, and
the words that were attributed to the Red Cross violate their rules.

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Android Cat
2005-07-26 02:58:34 UTC
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Post by Fredric L. Rice
Post by tikk
Before everyone excitedly starts emailing this out, please note that
this 'article' appears on a PR newswire dump, marking its legitimacy
as less than certain.
Yes, it looks like a hoax simply to judge by the words allegedly
used by the International Red Cross. Their people have plastic
cards or little binders that all volunteers are supposed to read
and are supposed to abide by when having a media contact, and
the words that were attributed to the Red Cross violate their rules.
It's not as if the Red Cross has taken action against Scientology to remove
previous fraudulent endorsements for the VM Useless Squad.
http://www.cyberspacefreedom.org/volun2.htm

(I'm surprised CoS hasn't photoshopped their Big Wall O'Useless Sandbag into
"Constructing Bomb-Proof Barriers in London".)
--
Ron of that ilk.
Fredric L. Rice
2005-07-26 02:19:28 UTC
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Post by Praxis
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/International/Scientology_Volunteer_Ministers_told_to_Leave_Crisis_Areas_32622.html
Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
Added: (Mon Jul 25 2005)
This doesn't look legitimate. The International Red Cross wouldn't
issue a statement in those words. Their people are trained better
than that.

Looks like a hoax.

---
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http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
roger gonnet
2005-07-26 08:27:24 UTC
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Post by Fredric L. Rice
Post by Praxis
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/International/Scientology_Volunteer_Ministers_told_to_Leave_Crisis_Areas_32622.html
Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
Added: (Mon Jul 25 2005)
This doesn't look legitimate. The International Red Cross wouldn't
issue a statement in those words. Their people are trained better
than that.
Looks like a hoax.
So, it's really similar to what scientology "liespersons" say to the press.

They've perhaps been had, but the best is that they have posted lots of other
uncheckable things, perverted facts and packs of lies if not of DA packs, on the
same "pressbook" website.

Take a look at those:

http://www.pressbox.co.uk/cgi-bin/links/search.cgi?query=scientology&Go=Search&days=All


r
Post by Fredric L. Rice
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tn
2005-07-26 18:45:31 UTC
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It's back :-)

Again: Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/Education/Again_Scientology_Volunteer_Ministers_told_to_Leave_Crisis_Areas_32709.html
mail.com (Enturbulation Order)
2005-07-26 21:34:31 UTC
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Post by tn
It's back :-)
Like Katie Holme's face rash!
Post by tn
Again: Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/Education/Again_Scientology_Volunteer_Ministers_told_to_Leave_Crisis_Areas_32709.html
Tigger Tigger
2005-07-26 22:52:08 UTC
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Post by tn
It's back :-)
Again: Scientology Volunteer Ministers
told to Leave Crisis Areas
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/Education/Again_Scientology_Volunteer_Ministers_told_to_Leave_Crisis_Areas_32709.html

LOL it's not "back". It's been resubmitted and look who resubmitted
it.......Roger Gonnet.....talk about confusing!

Hey Roger, what gives....I ain't ass~u~mein' nothing.

Tigger
Mike Gormez
2005-07-26 23:37:48 UTC
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Post by tn
It's back :-)
Again: Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/Education/Again_Scientology_Volunteer_Ministers_told_to_Leave_Crisis_Areas_32709.html
That's so sad. Roger must be suffering head trauma otherwise he would
have known that re-submitting unverified reports, which have zero real
world traces, is a bad thing.

Goddamn




--
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- Child abuse and neglect by scientologists www.taxexemptchildabuse.net
- www.psychassualt.org - Scientology hatred of mental health (CCHR)
roger gonnet
2005-07-27 08:44:48 UTC
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Post by Mike Gormez
Post by tn
It's back :-)
Again: Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/Education/Again_Scientology_Volunteer_Ministers_told_to_Leave_Crisis_Areas_32709.html
That's so sad. Roger must be suffering head trauma otherwise he would
have known that re-submitting unverified reports, which have zero real
world traces, is a bad thing.
Look, Mike, when such a thing happens in suchh conditions, I think that the
webmaster of that site can check out what happens, and instead of
erasing/can,celling something, he could add something like:

"The scientology group has taken contact with us, and it estimates that the
facts representend here are untrue. That the police has not asked them to leave
the area, and that they have been even thanked by the Police for their help and
gifts in water and bread."

That would be much better than cancelling something without any explanation.

Besides, the webmasters of the site have see that my post was merely a copy of
the first they had cancelled; they have put the "new" version 1 or 2 days after
i sent it; therefore, I imagine they have their own reasons and have checked the
facts.

Gottferdom :-))

r
Muldoon
2005-07-27 12:52:29 UTC
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Post by roger gonnet
Post by Mike Gormez
Post by tn
It's back :-)
Again: Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/Education/Again_Scientology_Volunteer_Ministers_told_to_Leave_Crisis_Areas_32709.html
That's so sad. Roger must be suffering head trauma otherwise he would
have known that re-submitting unverified reports, which have zero real
world traces, is a bad thing.
Look, Mike, when such a thing happens in suchh conditions, I think that the
webmaster of that site can check out what happens, and instead of
"The scientology group has taken contact with us, and it estimates that the
facts representend here are untrue. That the police has not asked them to leave
the area, and that they have been even thanked by the Police for their help and
gifts in water and bread."
Don't know how this started, but it's no secret that one of
Scientology's PR tactics is to have an assertion made, or story given,
one that seems to put Scn in a bad light, and then have it disproven.
This "proves" that critics are not credible, and is good PR for Scn.
Was this a set up?
Post by roger gonnet
That would be much better than cancelling something without any explanation.
Besides, the webmasters of the site have see that my post was merely a copy of
the first they had cancelled; they have put the "new" version 1 or 2 days after
i sent it; therefore, I imagine they have their own reasons and have checked the
facts.
Gottferdom :-))
r
Tigger Tigger
2005-07-27 14:09:07 UTC
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Post by Muldoon
Don't know how this started, but it's no
secret that one of Scientology's PR
tactics is to have an assertion made, or
story given, one that seems to put Scn
in a bad light, and then have it
disproven. This "proves" that critics are
not credible, and is good PR for Scn.
Was this a set up?
It may have been, but I seriously doubt it.
Would COS want any negative press.....even in a press release, even for
a couple hours?

It started when a SCN press release touting SCN VM's were assisting
London appeared in a google "news alert".
Someone using the name of Brian English, be he/she SCN'st, critic or
joker, who may or may not have had good intentions, followed up the SCN
press release full of distortions and lies, with one full of info which
apparently is distorted and/or untrue.

If such a person exists and if this info was correct, he surely would
have proved it by now. At this point, *apparently* no one knows who
this person is and the info released can not be verified.


These press release places do not check out facts. They post
disclaimers like this one:

~~Quote~~

ABOUT PR WEB=99 & these News Releases If you have any questions
regarding information in these press releases please contact the company
listed in the press release. Please do not contact PRWeb. We will be
unable to assist you with your inquiry. PRWeb disclaims any content
contained in these release. Our complete disclaimer appears here.
=A0
Disclaimer: If you have any questions regarding information in these
press releases please contact the company listed in the press release.
Please do not contact PR Web=99. We will be unable to assist you with
your inquiry. PR Web=99 disclaims any content contained in these
release. Our complete disclaimer appears here.

~~End of Quote~~

They must receive many of these every day. They do not have the time
or the employees to check the facts. Just think how long it takes a
critic or a reporter to check out the facts. They probably do no more
than read them and maybe some (the ones which charge) check out the
company or person who submits them to make sure there really is such a
company or person.

So, if you are going to submit something to one of these press release
places, PLEASE check out your own facts before you do it.

Tigger


=A0
Muldoon
2005-07-27 15:12:25 UTC
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Post by Tigger Tigger
Post by Muldoon
Don't know how this started, but it's no
secret that one of Scientology's PR
tactics is to have an assertion made, or
story given, one that seems to put Scn
in a bad light, and then have it
disproven. This "proves" that critics are
not credible, and is good PR for Scn.
Was this a set up?
It may have been, but I seriously doubt it.
Would COS want any negative press.....even in a press release, even for
a couple hours?
The short answer is "yes," if they could thereafter use it to
discredit critics.
Post by Tigger Tigger
It started when a SCN press release touting SCN VM's were assisting
London appeared in a google "news alert".
Someone using the name of Brian English, be he/she SCN'st, critic or
joker, who may or may not have had good intentions, followed up the SCN
press release full of distortions and lies, with one full of info which
apparently is distorted and/or untrue.
If such a person exists and if this info was correct, he surely would
have proved it by now. At this point, *apparently* no one knows who
this person is and the info released can not be verified.
These press release places do not check out facts. They post
~~Quote~~
ABOUT PR WEB™ & these News Releases If you have any questions
regarding information in these press releases please contact the company
listed in the press release. Please do not contact PRWeb. We will be
unable to assist you with your inquiry. PRWeb disclaims any content
contained in these release. Our complete disclaimer appears here.
Disclaimer: If you have any questions regarding information in these
press releases please contact the company listed in the press release.
Please do not contact PR Web™. We will be unable to assist you with
your inquiry. PR Web™ disclaims any content contained in these
release. Our complete disclaimer appears here.
~~End of Quote~~
They must receive many of these every day. They do not have the time
or the employees to check the facts. Just think how long it takes a
critic or a reporter to check out the facts. They probably do no more
than read them and maybe some (the ones which charge) check out the
company or person who submits them to make sure there really is such a
company or person.
So, if you are going to submit something to one of these press release
places, PLEASE check out your own facts before you do it.
Tigger
Praxis
2005-07-27 23:07:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Muldoon
Post by Tigger Tigger
Post by Muldoon
Don't know how this started, but it's no
secret that one of Scientology's PR
tactics is to have an assertion made, or
story given, one that seems to put Scn
in a bad light, and then have it
disproven. This "proves" that critics are
not credible, and is good PR for Scn.
Was this a set up?
It may have been, but I seriously doubt it.
Would COS want any negative press.....even in a press release, even for
a couple hours?
The short answer is "yes," if they could thereafter use it to
discredit critics.
I think the fact that the story was not replicated in the mainstream
media is illuminating.

It could mean that journalists never saw it (i.e They take no notice of
"press-release" websites? In which case, CoS is wasting a lot time and
money using them.)

It could mean that journalists have better "bullshit detectors" than we
give them credit for (In which case, CoS is wasting a lot time and
money using "press-release" websites.)

It could mean that journalists are reading a.r.s. (...and took to heart
the reservations voiced by the observant a.r.s. activists.)

Now that I think of it, this thread is a pretty good indicator that the
critics are more concerned with getting the truth out than scoring
cheap points.

Good stuff.
Post by Muldoon
Post by Tigger Tigger
It started when a SCN press release touting SCN VM's were assisting
London appeared in a google "news alert".
Someone using the name of Brian English, be he/she SCN'st, critic or
joker, who may or may not have had good intentions, followed up the SCN
press release full of distortions and lies, with one full of info which
apparently is distorted and/or untrue.
If such a person exists and if this info was correct, he surely would
have proved it by now. At this point, *apparently* no one knows who
this person is and the info released can not be verified.
These press release places do not check out facts. They post
~~Quote~~
ABOUT PR WEB™ & these News Releases If you have any questions
regarding information in these press releases please contact the company
listed in the press release. Please do not contact PRWeb. We will be
unable to assist you with your inquiry. PRWeb disclaims any content
contained in these release. Our complete disclaimer appears here.
Disclaimer: If you have any questions regarding information in these
press releases please contact the company listed in the press release.
Please do not contact PR Web™. We will be unable to assist you with
your inquiry. PR Web™ disclaims any content contained in these
release. Our complete disclaimer appears here.
~~End of Quote~~
They must receive many of these every day. They do not have the time
or the employees to check the facts. Just think how long it takes a
critic or a reporter to check out the facts. They probably do no more
than read them and maybe some (the ones which charge) check out the
company or person who submits them to make sure there really is such a
company or person.
So, if you are going to submit something to one of these press release
places, PLEASE check out your own facts before you do it.
Tigger
roger gonnet
2005-07-28 15:53:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Muldoon
Post by Tigger Tigger
Post by Muldoon
Don't know how this started, but it's no
secret that one of Scientology's PR
tactics is to have an assertion made, or
story given, one that seems to put Scn
in a bad light, and then have it
disproven. This "proves" that critics are
not credible, and is good PR for Scn.
Was this a set up?
It may have been, but I seriously doubt it.
Would COS want any negative press.....even in a press release, even for
a couple hours?
The short answer is "yes," if they could thereafter use it to
discredit critics.
I think the fact that the story was not replicated in the mainstream
media is illuminating.

free stories from such free websites as Pressbook. com are not replicated
easily.

And journalists don't use one percent of what they read about something, even
from AP agencies or reuters.

r
M.C. DiPietra
2005-07-29 01:47:20 UTC
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Post by Praxis
Post by Muldoon
Post by Tigger Tigger
Post by Muldoon
Don't know how this started, but it's no
secret that one of Scientology's PR
tactics is to have an assertion made, or
story given, one that seems to put Scn
in a bad light, and then have it
disproven. This "proves" that critics are
not credible, and is good PR for Scn.
Was this a set up?
It may have been, but I seriously doubt it.
Would COS want any negative press.....even in a press release, even for
a couple hours?
The short answer is "yes," if they could thereafter use it to
discredit critics.
I think the fact that the story was not replicated in the mainstream
media is illuminating.
free stories from such free websites as Pressbook. com are not replicated
easily.
And journalists don't use one percent of what they read about something, even
from AP agencies or reuters.
r
A reputable editor will not stop the presses for something read on a vanity
press release site. And it's not the job of the folks who run the site to do
the cross-checking.

Cross-checking and confirming with sources is an integral part of putting
together a story, if you're getting paid to do real journalism. Nobody's
going to rip and read something off Pressbook.

But honestly, it doesn't help to hoax. Scn, inc. manufactures enough of
that, don't you think?


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roger gonnet
2005-07-27 14:34:43 UTC
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Post by roger gonnet
Post by Mike Gormez
Post by tn
It's back :-)
Again: Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/Education/Again_Scientology_Volunteer_Ministers_told_to_Leave_Crisis_Areas_32709.html
That's so sad. Roger must be suffering head trauma otherwise he would
have known that re-submitting unverified reports, which have zero real
world traces, is a bad thing.
Look, Mike, when such a thing happens in suchh conditions, I think that the
webmaster of that site can check out what happens, and instead of
"The scientology group has taken contact with us, and it estimates that the
facts representend here are untrue. That the police has not asked them to leave
the area, and that they have been even thanked by the Police for their help and
gifts in water and bread."
Don't know how this started, but it's no secret that one of
Scientology's PR tactics is to have an assertion made, or story given,
one that seems to put Scn in a bad light, and then have it disproven.
This "proves" that critics are not credible, and is good PR for Scn.
Was this a set up?

Possibly so. Anyway, they can't use easily what I've sent about that story:


http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/Education/Precisions_about_scientologists_supposedly_expelled_from_London_areas_32818.html

r
Post by roger gonnet
That would be much better than cancelling something without any explanation.
Besides, the webmasters of the site have see that my post was merely a copy of
the first they had cancelled; they have put the "new" version 1 or 2 days after
i sent it; therefore, I imagine they have their own reasons and have checked the
facts.
Gottferdom :-))
r
tikk
2005-07-27 21:11:42 UTC
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Post by roger gonnet
Post by Mike Gormez
Post by tn
It's back :-)
Again: Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/Education/Again_Scientology_Volunteer_Ministers_told_to_Leave_Crisis_Areas_32709.html
That's so sad. Roger must be suffering head trauma otherwise he would
have known that re-submitting unverified reports, which have zero real
world traces, is a bad thing.
Look, Mike, when such a thing happens in suchh conditions, I think that the
webmaster of that site can check out what happens, and instead of
"The scientology group has taken contact with us, and it estimates that the
facts representend here are untrue. That the police has not asked them to leave
the area, and that they have been even thanked by the Police for their help and
gifts in water and bread."
That would be much better than cancelling something without any explanation.
Besides, the webmasters of the site have see that my post was merely a copy of
the first they had cancelled; they have put the "new" version 1 or 2 days after
i sent it; therefore, I imagine they have their own reasons and have checked the
facts.
Gottferdom :-))
r
I'm at a loss to understand why you resubmitted a patently false article
to the site. It serves no purpose to have that thing floating around,
whether in original form or its current form, which now has an entirely
confusing 'disclaimer' at top, written by yourself.

What's worse is that your 'disclaimer' contains an affirmatively stated
assertion which you have no idea is true or not: you do not know that
the site pulled the original article upon Scientology's request. You've
no idea why the site pulled the article.

The site, of course, would be entirely justified in pulling the article
on its own intiative, as it was a demonstrable hoax. As a 'PR news'
site, they maintain an interest in removing patently false articles such
as the one you've decided to re-propogate. Moreover, they don't owe you
an explanation for every patently false article they remove.

Perhaps you're confusing it with Google, which has a clear incentive to
explain why something was removed, since Google's milieu purportedly
includes the 'entire web', and as a far more visible company, trades on
the public trust. By contrast, Pressbox is an opt-in *service* which
requires you to play by their rules - spelled out in their terms of
service - where they reserve the sole discretionary right to remove
articles.

Even if Scientology had requested the removal of the article, as you
presume, they'd be entirely justified, since the article was
demonstrably false. I fully appreciate the fact that they act like
quota-meeting jackals every time an unfortunate disaster strikes, but
propogating a fictional story as news will not help matters in the
slightest, and can only make things worse down the road.

~ tikk
Mike Gormez
2005-07-28 00:24:55 UTC
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"On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:44:48 +0200, "roger gonnet" <***@antisectes.net>
wrote in <42e7497d$0$4042$***@news.free.fr>:

Roger, I am not even going to discuss this with you. You make me feel
dirty.


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roger gonnet
2005-07-28 15:51:46 UTC
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Post by Mike Gormez
Roger, I am not even going to discuss this with you. You make me feel
dirty.
sorry, it was in no way intentional.
That's also why I put another message later, in case that was really a hoax.

r
mail.com (Enturbulation Order)
2005-07-26 18:24:59 UTC
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Post by Praxis
From
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/International/Scientology_Volunteer_Ministers_told_to_Leave_Crisis_Areas_32622.html
Scientology Volunteer Ministers told to Leave Crisis Areas
Added: (Mon Jul 25 2005)
On a scale from 0 to 12, I give this prank about a 7. It doesn't
even read like a proper news story. If "tn" wrote this, she or he
might wish to read about the "inverted pyramid" practice of
journalism---- if would look more real.
tn
2005-07-26 23:41:03 UTC
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I swear I didn't write it.
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