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How Scientology is trying to "handle" this newsgroup - Please Read Original Post in Thread: - 11/24/03
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Truth Seeker
2003-11-25 01:23:16 UTC
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How Scientology is trying to "handle" this newsgroup:


There was a time when this newsgroup was just like any other
newsgroup on the internet. Unfortunately this is not the case anymore.
About 7-10 years ago Scientology decided that this newsgroup was a
source of bad publicity for the church and that it needed to be
"handled" just like all the other sources of criticism in the past.
But the newsgroup "Alt.Religion.Scientology" presented a problem the
likes of which Scientology had never faced before. In the past all
criticism of the church usually emanated from one locatable source,
like a newspaper, magazine, or TV show. The reason Scientology
couldn't handle this newsgroup the same way it did other sources of
criticism in the past is because it is not located in any one place.
The different articles that comprise this newsgroup are stored on
hundreds of servers all over the planet. There isn't any one location
they can go to in order to shut it down. As a result of this,
Scientology had to come up with a different solution to this problem.
The following is a description of the solution they came up with to
"handle" this criticism.

There was two things Scientology wanted to keep away from the
outside world, criticism of Scientology and critics of Scientology.
They decided that the best way to keep people from reading the
criticism of Scientology was to surround it with fake criticism. They
decided that the best way to keep people from finding critics of
Scientology was to surround them with fake critics. For example, if
you were to lay a diamond on a table and ask someone to find the
diamond that was laying on the table it would be jokingly easy. Now
take 30 FAKE diamonds that look and feel just like the real diamond,
mix them up with the real diamond and place them all on the table.
Then ask the same person to find the real diamond. This time finding
the real diamond is not so easy. This is the same solution Scientology
has taken in order to hide real critics and real criticism on this
newsgroup. The full explanation as to why they chose a solution of
using fakes is explained in an article titled: "The key to how
Scientology is handling this newsgroup".

The first step was to create some phony critics. In general, they
took about 5-10 members from different orgs all around the world and
gave each one 3 different aliases to post by. This was to give the
appearance that they are 25-30 different people. The term "OSA trolls"
is used on this newsgroup to describe these people. For a more
specific description of how Scientology creates phony critics from
their own church members, please read an article titled: "The Magical
Transformation of Church Member into Critic".

Most of the posts by these different names are automated and
posted by computers. This is in order to keep things going 24 hours a
day and to ease the work load on their church members. The posts that
were put up by the computers were generated from databases of text
that didn't consist of any real criticism of the church but was just
some gibberish that was loosely connected with Scientology in some
way. When you read the posts put up by the computers, your response
will usually be: "Oh, who cares about that?". The post seems to be
connected with criticism of Scientology but will fall into the
category of "Who cares?". If the criticism was boring or mostly
off-topic, more than likely its phony criticism. Phony criticism will
never tell you anything that will hurt Scientology in a real way, the
topic for discussion is usually very trivial and adds up to nothing.
Scientology is hoping that the reader will leave this newsgroup out of
boredom.

Any time there was a situation requiring a real unique post or
response, a person would take over and post under that name. For
example, 70% of what you see posted on this newsgroup under the names
of Praxis or Zinj was posted by computer software and the other 30% by
a actual person. The ratio between what's generated and posted by
computer software and what's done by a person varies from troll to
troll. For example, most of Magoo's posts are done by her and very
little is automated, on the contrary most of Kristi Wachter's posts
are automated. Please remember, as a result of this post, OSA could
make changes to these ratios in the future.


Here is a list of the ways it will benefit Scientology if the
reader makes the mistake of confusing a phony critic for a real one:

1. If the phony critic advises him to: "Log onto this web site" or
"Log onto that web site" he will follow that bad advise and log onto a
OSA controlled web site and make it possible for OSA to track his
location.

They can trace back to the location where he logged on from, just
like a phone call can be traced back to the location where it was
placed from. The web site will appear to be critical of Scientology
but the criticism is fabricated and fake. When the phony critic keeps
asking you to "log onto this web site" or "log onto that web site"
they are actually doing a form of internet newsgroup "body routing".
They are trying to "body route" you off of this newsgroup and onto a
OSA created or OSA controlled web site. Those web sites were created
to discredit the CRITICS of Scientology NOT Scientology. If after
you're finished reading what's written on those web sites you come to
one or more of the following conclusion regarding the critics of
Scientology:

1. They don't know what there are talking about.

2. They are liars.

3. They are SP's just like L. Ron Hubbard said in his lectures from
the PTS/SP course.

4. They are mentally ill just like L. Ron Hubbard said in his books
and lectures.

5. They are lowlifes or perverts like L. Ron Hubbard said in his books
and lectures.

6. They are at 1.1 on the tone scale like L. Ron Hubbard said in
"Science of Survival".

7. They are religious bigots.

It was no accident! The Church of Scientology wanted you to come
to one or more of those conclusions! That's why those web sites were
created and why they want you to go there so badly.

You "think" that when you log onto one of those web sites you
are OUTSIDE of the Church of Scientology, but you are not! Once you
log onto one of those web sites you are in another division of
Scientology, the OSA division! Those web sites were designed to
discredit the CRITICS of Scientology NOT Scientology!

2. If the phony critic asks him: "Join us on a picket of a Scientology
org" he may follow this bad advise and come out in the open and join
the phony critic or critics on a picket.

The reason the phony critic wants this person to "Come on out
with us on a picket" is so he and his fellow Scientologists can find
out what he looks like and who he is. This is another technique
Scientology uses in order to locate their enemies. Scientology does
not like to have antagonist & enemies and not know who they are and
where they are. The beneficial effects of finding out who these
enemies are cancels out any negative effects caused by the picket.

3. If a phony critic asks him: "Send me you Scientology mail" he may
do just that.

In doing so, Scientology will find out who it is from their
mailing list that is currently taking a critical view of them. This is
just another way for Scientology to find the names and addresses of
their enemies and antagonists. Even if you were to cut out your name
and address off the mail, it could still be there in some other form
like a bar code. Anybody asking you to send them your "Scientology
promotional mail" is most likely an OSA agent pretending to be a
critic, so beware.

4. If the reader is running an organization which is antagonistic
towards Scientology, he may mistakenly let this phony critic into his
organization.

At this point, the phony critic can wreck and destroy his
organization. This is what happened to Bob Minton when he let a phony
critic into his organization. There is nothing more destructive to an
organization than to have an enemy inside that organization pretending
to be a part of that organization. When a man mistakes his enemy for
his friend, he's headed for trouble. This is a mistake Scientology
wants you and me to make.

5. If the phony critic says things that make him sound like a
religions bigot, the reader will conclude that the critics of
Scientology are made up of religious bigots.

6. If the phony critic acts like a pervert or says things that are
perverted, the reader will conclude that the critics of Scientology
are perverts.

Scientology wants the world to think this because that is what L.
Ron Hubbard stated in his books and lectures. One of OAS's goals is to
validate L. Ron Hubbard's claims regarding the enemies of Scientology.

7. If the phony critic acts crazy or says things that are crazy, the
reader will conclude that the critics of Scientology are all mentally
ill.

Scientology wants the world to think this because that is what L.
Ron Hubbard stated in his books and lectures regarding the enemies of
Scientology.

Here is a list of the ways it will benefit Scientology if the
reader makes the mistake of confusing phony criticism for real
criticism.

1. He will get bored with reading criticism of Scientology in general
and go off and do something else.

This is just what Scientology wants to happen. They create what
looks like criticism on the surface but it doesn't really tell you
anything that is hurtful to Scientology. The normal response you get
from reading this type of phony criticism is: "Oh well, who cares
about that?". They make it look like criticism of Scientology but it
doesn't contain any real substance. There is another reason why they
are trying to bore the reader with boring fake criticism. They feel
that most of people who are reading this newsgroup are angry and
looking for blood and guts criticism. By posting criticism that's at
2.5 (boredom) on the tone scale they are hoping to handle the angry
1.5 who's reading it. L. Ron Hubbard said that boredom will handle an
angry person and this is another reason why they employ it.

2. His time will be spent reading phony criticism and not real
criticism.

They know that you can't read phony criticism and real criticism
at the same time. How do you get somebody off real criticism? Give
them phony criticism! They are using it as a distraction. It is sort
of like in the movie "The Wizard of Oz" ware the all powerful Oz says:
"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!". Scientology wants
you to spend your time looking at their fake criticism and not the
real McCoy.

3. He will come away feeling that the critics of Scientology are all
bigots.

If the criticism consists of bigoted statements, the reader will
conclude that the critics of Scientology are all bigots. The phony
criticism is deliberately fabricated to sound like it was written by a
bigot in order to discredit the real critics of Scientology. Everybody
knows what the stereo type is of a religiously bigoted person. They
deliberately write the phony criticism in this stereo-typical fashion.


4. He will come away feeling that the critics of Scientology are all
crazy.

If the criticism consists of crazy, nutty statements, the reader
will conclude that the critics of Scientology are all mentally ill.
The phony criticism is deliberately fabricated to sound like it was
written by a lunatic. One of the things L. Ron Hubbard use to say was
that only the insane would try and stop Scientology. One of OSA's jobs
is to validate what L. Ron Hubbard stated in his books and lectures
regarding the enemies of Scientology.

5. He will come away feeling that the critics of Scientology are all
perverts.

If the criticism contains perverted statements and suggestions,
the reader will conclude that the critics of Scientology are perverts.
Scientology wants the world to think this because that is what L. Ron
Hubbard stated in his books and lectures regarding the enemies of
Scientology.

6. He will come away feeling that the critics of Scientology are all
liars.

If the criticism consists of untrue statements or exaggerations
about L. Ron Hubbard or what L. Ron Hubbard wrote in his books or said
in his lectures, the reader will conclude that the critics of
Scientology are all liars. They will post an article that appears to
be critical of Scientology, either on this newsgroup or on a web site.
Inside that article will contain a few lines of false data that was
deliberately inserted by Scientology. They put the false data in the
article so the reader will discover it. After discovering the false
data, the reader will conclude, seemingly on his own, that the person
who wrote it either doesn't know what he's talking about or is a liar.
Since the person reading the article believes that the person who
wrote the article is a critic of Scientology, he will come to the
conclusion, again seemingly on his own, that the critics of
Scientology don't know what they are talking about or are liars. If
the person reading the article comes to either one these conclusions
it would benefit Scientology, which is the reason why the article was
created and posted in the first place.







Truth Seeker
"OSA Stands for: (O)perations by (S)uppressive (A)ssholes"

=====================================================

If you want to know what Scientology doesn't want you
to know, take a look these posts that I've put up earlier on
this newsgroup. (That's if the Church of "Suppress Free Speech"
hasn't illegally cancelled them)



"How to spot the OSA members on this newsgroup"
"How you know you've just read phony criticism created by Scientology"
"Scientology's Plan to Stop Critics & Criticism on this newsgroup"
"The key to how Scientology is handling this newsgroup"
"Why you should stay away from Scientology"
"The FAQ for Alt.Religion.Scientology"
"Names Scientology is Posting by on this newsgroup"
"Tactics OSA uses to stop critics on this newsgroup"
"The Magical Transformation of Church Member into Critic"
"How Scientology is playing both sides of the coin"
"Scientology's Decoy System"
"The 3 beliefs Scientology wants the world to believe"
"Some different Ways to "Handle" Scientology"
"How Scientology Traps New Members"
"Scientology's Trick to keep people from REAL criticism"
"Weaknesses of the Church of Scientology"
"How Scientology creates identity confusion"
Rookie1122Rk
2003-11-25 01:48:29 UTC
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Subject: How Scientology is trying to "handle" this newsgroup - Please Read
Original Post in Thread: - 11/24/03
Date: 11/24/2003 5:23 PM Pacific Standard Time
Where is the ONE website that is also critical so I can validate what you are
saying. There must be ONE website in the whole universe. Why should a person
just trust you because you say it?

Regards
arnie lerma - www.lermanet.com
2003-11-25 02:14:42 UTC
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Post by Rookie1122Rk
Subject: How Scientology is trying to "handle" this newsgroup - Please Read
Original Post in Thread: - 11/24/03
Date: 11/24/2003 5:23 PM Pacific Standard Time
Where is the ONE website that is also critical so I can validate what you are
saying. There must be ONE website in the whole universe. Why should a person
just trust you because you say it?
Toot Sqweaker trusted Hubbard because he said it......


http://www.lermanet.com/LRonHubbard3.htm
"He legalized robbery, called it belief
...invented memories.....
then closed all the gates"
Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms Album


L Ron Hubbard - The KING of CONS! - Page Three

Go to: Page ONE ----- Page TWO ----- Page FOUR


If scientology were an auto manufacturer

They would build huge, impressive manufacturing facilities.

They would train people for years and years on how to build their
cars.

They would sell expensive courses on how to drive the new car.

They would award pretty, impressive, golden certificates of completion
of the various courses in how to drive or build their car.

Anyone completing any step of the driving, or operation or maintenance
training for the new cars would always be asked to write a "success
story" which was printed in the glossy brochures touting the new car.

Those waiting for their cars were persuaded that the fate of the world
would hinge upon building their cars.

They would open lots of sales offices all over the world to sell their
wonderful cars.

They would publish detailed long and lengthy manuals about how the car
was built.

When activists posted these manuals anonymously, They would say they
were forgeries.

When activists tried to publish portions of these manuals, to
authenticate them as being the real deal, and to show you how silly
they were, they would be sued with Trade secret and copyright claims.

They would take advance deposits for delivery of their cars.

They would show you glitzy illustrations of their cars printed in
glossy magazines.

They would have mass meetings of their car buyers

Anyone that doubted that they were "really" making cars would be
expelled.

Families would be broken up when one would try and explain these facts
to the other.

Everyone waiting for their car eventually died, many who perhaps would
not wait, died under mysterious circumstance.

Those seeking to litigate because they didn't get a car were 'ruined
utterly if possible' by a roomful of lawyers and/or silence by gag
agreement and an army of sometimes sleazy private investigators.

Anyone warning the public that they never deliver cars would be
silenced.

They would organize those that had ordered their cars into pressure
groups, to sell more cars to targeted market segments.

When the government tried to expose the car manufacturer, they would
re-organize their sales offices into a Religion of Car Buyers.
Claiming there was a constitutional right for folks to believe their
cars were going to be delivered.

Anyone trying to publicize any of the points in this article would be
"de-popularized" or "dead agented" or framed for crimes to discredit
them.

Groups and Indviduals that sprang up to expose this fraud would be
infiltrated and set to bickering with each other.

When web pages sprang up all over the Internet exposing this fraud
those waiting for their cars were told that "it's all lies"

including THIS message.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A selection from Chapter 13 of Eric Hoffer's 9The True Believer:

" "Things which are not" are indeed mightier than "things that are."
10 In all ages men have fought most desperately for beautiful cities
yet to be built and gardens yet to be planted. Satan did not digress
to tell all he knew when he said: "All that a man hath will he give
for his life." 11All he hath - yes. But he sooner dies than yield
aught12 of that which he hath not yet. "
9: Eric Hoffer's The True Believer was published in 1951, President
Dwight Eisenhower told his associates to read it, and I'm telling YOU
to read it
10 I Corinthians 1:28
11 Job 2:4
12 Aught is a Middle English word for "Anything" as used by
Shakespeare


Goto Page 2 - L Ron Hubbard - The KING of CONS! - Religious Cloaking
(c) 2003 Arnaldo Lerma
http://www.lermanet.com/LRonHubbard3.htm
Post by Rookie1122Rk
Regards
I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak.
The only thing that always works in scientology are its lawyers
The internet is the liberty tree of the new millennium
Secrets are the mortar binding lies as bricks together into prisons for the mind
Support http://www.lermanet.com - mentioned 4 January 2000 in
The Washington Post's - 'Reliable Source' column re "Scientologist with no HEAD"
Truth Seeker
2003-11-25 06:23:21 UTC
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How Scientology is trying to "handle" this newsgroup:


There was a time when this newsgroup was just like any other
newsgroup on the internet. Unfortunately this is not the case anymore.
About 7-10 years ago Scientology decided that this newsgroup was a
source of bad publicity for the church and that it needed to be
"handled" just like all the other sources of criticism in the past.
But the newsgroup "Alt.Religion.Scientology" presented a problem the
likes of which Scientology had never faced before. In the past all
criticism of the church usually emanated from one locatable source,
like a newspaper, magazine, or TV show. The reason Scientology
couldn't handle this newsgroup the same way it did other sources of
criticism in the past is because it is not located in any one place.
The different articles that comprise this newsgroup are stored on
hundreds of servers all over the planet. There isn't any one location
they can go to in order to shut it down. As a result of this,
Scientology had to come up with a different solution to this problem.
The following is a description of the solution they came up with to
"handle" this criticism.

There was two things Scientology wanted to keep away from the
outside world, criticism of Scientology and critics of Scientology.
They decided that the best way to keep people from reading the
criticism of Scientology was to surround it with fake criticism. They
decided that the best way to keep people from finding critics of
Scientology was to surround them with fake critics. For example, if
you were to lay a diamond on a table and ask someone to find the
diamond that was laying on the table it would be jokingly easy. Now
take 30 FAKE diamonds that look and feel just like the real diamond,
mix them up with the real diamond and place them all on the table.
Then ask the same person to find the real diamond. This time finding
the real diamond is not so easy. This is the same solution Scientology
has taken in order to hide real critics and real criticism on this
newsgroup. The full explanation as to why they chose a solution of
using fakes is explained in an article titled: "The key to how
Scientology is handling this newsgroup".

The first step was to create some phony critics. In general, they
took about 5-10 members from different orgs all around the world and
gave each one 3 different aliases to post by. This was to give the
appearance that they are 25-30 different people. The term "OSA trolls"
is used on this newsgroup to describe these people. For a more
specific description of how Scientology creates phony critics from
their own church members, please read an article titled: "The Magical
Transformation of Church Member into Critic".

Most of the posts by these different names are automated and
posted by computers. This is in order to keep things going 24 hours a
day and to ease the work load on their church members. The posts that
were put up by the computers were generated from databases of text
that didn't consist of any real criticism of the church but was just
some gibberish that was loosely connected with Scientology in some
way. When you read the posts put up by the computers, your response
will usually be: "Oh, who cares about that?". The post seems to be
connected with criticism of Scientology but will fall into the
category of "Who cares?". If the criticism was boring or mostly
off-topic, more than likely its phony criticism. Phony criticism will
never tell you anything that will hurt Scientology in a real way, the
topic for discussion is usually very trivial and adds up to nothing.
Scientology is hoping that the reader will leave this newsgroup out of
boredom.

Any time there was a situation requiring a real unique post or
response, a person would take over and post under that name. For
example, 70% of what you see posted on this newsgroup under the names
of Praxis or Zinj was posted by computer software and the other 30% by
a actual person. The ratio between what's generated and posted by
computer software and what's done by a person varies from troll to
troll. For example, most of Magoo's posts are done by her and very
little is automated, on the contrary most of Kristi Wachter's posts
are automated. Please remember, as a result of this post, OSA could
make changes to these ratios in the future.


Here is a list of the ways it will benefit Scientology if the
reader makes the mistake of confusing a phony critic for a real one:

1. If the phony critic advises him to: "Log onto this web site" or
"Log onto that web site" he will follow that bad advise and log onto a
OSA controlled web site and make it possible for OSA to track his
location.

They can trace back to the location where he logged on from, just
like a phone call can be traced back to the location where it was
placed from. The web site will appear to be critical of Scientology
but the criticism is fabricated and fake. When the phony critic keeps
asking you to "log onto this web site" or "log onto that web site"
they are actually doing a form of internet newsgroup "body routing".
They are trying to "body route" you off of this newsgroup and onto a
OSA created or OSA controlled web site. Those web sites were created
to discredit the CRITICS of Scientology NOT Scientology. If after
you're finished reading what's written on those web sites you come to
one or more of the following conclusion regarding the critics of
Scientology:

1. They don't know what there are talking about.

2. They are liars.

3. They are SP's just like L. Ron Hubbard said in his lectures from
the PTS/SP course.

4. They are mentally ill just like L. Ron Hubbard said in his books
and lectures.

5. They are lowlifes or perverts like L. Ron Hubbard said in his books
and lectures.

6. They are at 1.1 on the tone scale like L. Ron Hubbard said in
"Science of Survival".

7. They are religious bigots.

It was no accident! The Church of Scientology wanted you to come
to one or more of those conclusions! That's why those web sites were
created and why they want you to go there so badly.

You "think" that when you log onto one of those web sites you
are OUTSIDE of the Church of Scientology, but you are not! Once you
log onto one of those web sites you are in another division of
Scientology, the OSA division! Those web sites were designed to
discredit the CRITICS of Scientology NOT Scientology!

2. If the phony critic asks him: "Join us on a picket of a Scientology
org" he may follow this bad advise and come out in the open and join
the phony critic or critics on a picket.

The reason the phony critic wants this person to "Come on out
with us on a picket" is so he and his fellow Scientologists can find
out what he looks like and who he is. This is another technique
Scientology uses in order to locate their enemies. Scientology does
not like to have antagonist & enemies and not know who they are and
where they are. The beneficial effects of finding out who these
enemies are cancels out any negative effects caused by the picket.

3. If a phony critic asks him: "Send me you Scientology mail" he may
do just that.

In doing so, Scientology will find out who it is from their
mailing list that is currently taking a critical view of them. This is
just another way for Scientology to find the names and addresses of
their enemies and antagonists. Even if you were to cut out your name
and address off the mail, it could still be there in some other form
like a bar code. Anybody asking you to send them your "Scientology
promotional mail" is most likely an OSA agent pretending to be a
critic, so beware.

4. If the reader is running an organization which is antagonistic
towards Scientology, he may mistakenly let this phony critic into his
organization.

At this point, the phony critic can wreck and destroy his
organization. This is what happened to Bob Minton when he let a phony
critic into his organization. There is nothing more destructive to an
organization than to have an enemy inside that organization pretending
to be a part of that organization. When a man mistakes his enemy for
his friend, he's headed for trouble. This is a mistake Scientology
wants you and me to make.

5. If the phony critic says things that make him sound like a
religions bigot, the reader will conclude that the critics of
Scientology are made up of religious bigots.

6. If the phony critic acts like a pervert or says things that are
perverted, the reader will conclude that the critics of Scientology
are perverts.

Scientology wants the world to think this because that is what L.
Ron Hubbard stated in his books and lectures. One of OAS's goals is to
validate L. Ron Hubbard's claims regarding the enemies of Scientology.

7. If the phony critic acts crazy or says things that are crazy, the
reader will conclude that the critics of Scientology are all mentally
ill.

Scientology wants the world to think this because that is what L.
Ron Hubbard stated in his books and lectures regarding the enemies of
Scientology.

Here is a list of the ways it will benefit Scientology if the
reader makes the mistake of confusing phony criticism for real
criticism.

1. He will get bored with reading criticism of Scientology in general
and go off and do something else.

This is just what Scientology wants to happen. They create what
looks like criticism on the surface but it doesn't really tell you
anything that is hurtful to Scientology. The normal response you get
from reading this type of phony criticism is: "Oh well, who cares
about that?". They make it look like criticism of Scientology but it
doesn't contain any real substance. There is another reason why they
are trying to bore the reader with boring fake criticism. They feel
that most of people who are reading this newsgroup are angry and
looking for blood and guts criticism. By posting criticism that's at
2.5 (boredom) on the tone scale they are hoping to handle the angry
1.5 who's reading it. L. Ron Hubbard said that boredom will handle an
angry person and this is another reason why they employ it.

2. His time will be spent reading phony criticism and not real
criticism.

They know that you can't read phony criticism and real criticism
at the same time. How do you get somebody off real criticism? Give
them phony criticism! They are using it as a distraction. It is sort
of like in the movie "The Wizard of Oz" ware the all powerful Oz says:
"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!". Scientology wants
you to spend your time looking at their fake criticism and not the
real McCoy.

3. He will come away feeling that the critics of Scientology are all
bigots.

If the criticism consists of bigoted statements, the reader will
conclude that the critics of Scientology are all bigots. The phony
criticism is deliberately fabricated to sound like it was written by a
bigot in order to discredit the real critics of Scientology. Everybody
knows what the stereo type is of a religiously bigoted person. They
deliberately write the phony criticism in this stereo-typical fashion.


4. He will come away feeling that the critics of Scientology are all
crazy.

If the criticism consists of crazy, nutty statements, the reader
will conclude that the critics of Scientology are all mentally ill.
The phony criticism is deliberately fabricated to sound like it was
written by a lunatic. One of the things L. Ron Hubbard use to say was
that only the insane would try and stop Scientology. One of OSA's jobs
is to validate what L. Ron Hubbard stated in his books and lectures
regarding the enemies of Scientology.

5. He will come away feeling that the critics of Scientology are all
perverts.

If the criticism contains perverted statements and suggestions,
the reader will conclude that the critics of Scientology are perverts.
Scientology wants the world to think this because that is what L. Ron
Hubbard stated in his books and lectures regarding the enemies of
Scientology.

6. He will come away feeling that the critics of Scientology are all
liars.

If the criticism consists of untrue statements or exaggerations
about L. Ron Hubbard or what L. Ron Hubbard wrote in his books or said
in his lectures, the reader will conclude that the critics of
Scientology are all liars. They will post an article that appears to
be critical of Scientology, either on this newsgroup or on a web site.
Inside that article will contain a few lines of false data that was
deliberately inserted by Scientology. They put the false data in the
article so the reader will discover it. After discovering the false
data, the reader will conclude, seemingly on his own, that the person
who wrote it either doesn't know what he's talking about or is a liar.
Since the person reading the article believes that the person who
wrote the article is a critic of Scientology, he will come to the
conclusion, again seemingly on his own, that the critics of
Scientology don't know what they are talking about or are liars. If
the person reading the article comes to either one these conclusions
it would benefit Scientology, which is the reason why the article was
created and posted in the first place.



Truth Seeker
"OSA Stands for: (O)perations by (S)uppressive (A)ssholes"

=====================================================

If you want to know what Scientology doesn't want you
to know, take a look these posts that I've put up earlier on
this newsgroup. (That's if the Church of "Suppress Free Speech"
hasn't illegally cancelled them)



"How to spot the OSA members on this newsgroup"
"How you know you've just read phony criticism created by Scientology"
"Scientology's Plan to Stop Critics & Criticism on this newsgroup"
"The key to how Scientology is handling this newsgroup"
"Why you should stay away from Scientology"
"The FAQ for Alt.Religion.Scientology"
"Names Scientology is Posting by on this newsgroup"
"Tactics OSA uses to stop critics on this newsgroup"
"The Magical Transformation of Church Member into Critic"
"How Scientology is playing both sides of the coin"
"Scientology's Decoy System"
"The 3 beliefs Scientology wants the world to believe"
"Some different Ways to "Handle" Scientology"
"How Scientology Traps New Members"
"Scientology's Trick to keep people from REAL criticism"
"Weaknesses of the Church of Scientology"
"How Scientology creates identity confusion"
Rookie1122Rk
2003-11-26 20:43:03 UTC
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Subject: Re: How Scientology is trying to "handle" this newsgroup - Please
Read Original Post in Thread: - 11/24/03
Date: 11/24/2003 10:23 PM Pacific Standard Time
Tell me ONE other critic that is posting here. There must be ONE other among
the other 251 unique posters of this last week.

All I am asking for is just ONE.

Regards
Truth Seeker
2003-11-27 07:56:03 UTC
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How Scientology is trying to "handle" this newsgroup:


There was a time when this newsgroup was just like any other
newsgroup on the internet. Unfortunately this is not the case anymore.
About 7-10 years ago Scientology decided that this newsgroup was a
source of bad publicity for the church and that it needed to be
"handled" just like all the other sources of criticism in the past.
But the newsgroup "Alt.Religion.Scientology" presented a problem the
likes of which Scientology had never faced before. In the past all
criticism of the church usually emanated from one locatable source,
like a newspaper, magazine, or TV show. The reason Scientology
couldn't handle this newsgroup the same way it did other sources of
criticism in the past is because it is not located in any one place.
The different articles that comprise this newsgroup are stored on
hundreds of servers all over the planet. There isn't any one location
they can go to in order to shut it down. As a result of this,
Scientology had to come up with a different solution to this problem.
The following is a description of the solution they came up with to
"handle" this criticism.

There was two things Scientology wanted to keep away from the
outside world, criticism of Scientology and critics of Scientology.
They decided that the best way to keep people from reading the
criticism of Scientology was to surround it with fake criticism. They
decided that the best way to keep people from finding critics of
Scientology was to surround them with fake critics. For example, if
you were to lay a diamond on a table and ask someone to find the
diamond that was laying on the table it would be jokingly easy. Now
take 30 FAKE diamonds that look and feel just like the real diamond,
mix them up with the real diamond and place them all on the table.
Then ask the same person to find the real diamond. This time finding
the real diamond is not so easy. This is the same solution Scientology
has taken in order to hide real critics and real criticism on this
newsgroup. The full explanation as to why they chose a solution of
using fakes is explained in an article titled: "The key to how
Scientology is handling this newsgroup".

The first step was to create some phony critics. In general, they
took about 5-10 members from different orgs all around the world and
gave each one 3 different aliases to post by. This was to give the
appearance that they are 25-30 different people. The term "OSA trolls"
is used on this newsgroup to describe these people. For a more
specific description of how Scientology creates phony critics from
their own church members, please read an article titled: "The Magical
Transformation of Church Member into Critic".

Most of the posts by these different names are automated and
posted by computers. This is in order to keep things going 24 hours a
day and to ease the work load on their church members. The posts that
were put up by the computers were generated from databases of text
that didn't consist of any real criticism of the church but was just
some gibberish that was loosely connected with Scientology in some
way. When you read the posts put up by the computers, your response
will usually be: "Oh, who cares about that?". The post seems to be
connected with criticism of Scientology but will fall into the
category of "Who cares?". If the criticism was boring or mostly
off-topic, more than likely its phony criticism. Phony criticism will
never tell you anything that will hurt Scientology in a real way, the
topic for discussion is usually very trivial and adds up to nothing.
Scientology is hoping that the reader will leave this newsgroup out of
boredom.

Any time there was a situation requiring a real unique post or
response, a person would take over and post under that name. For
example, 70% of what you see posted on this newsgroup under the names
of Praxis or Zinj was posted by computer software and the other 30% by
a actual person. The ratio between what's generated and posted by
computer software and what's done by a person varies from troll to
troll. For example, most of Magoo's posts are done by her and very
little is automated, on the contrary most of Kristi Wachter's posts
are automated. Please remember, as a result of this post, OSA could
make changes to these ratios in the future.


Here is a list of the ways it will benefit Scientology if the
reader makes the mistake of confusing a phony critic for a real one:

1. If the phony critic advises him to: "Log onto this web site" or
"Log onto that web site" he will follow that bad advise and log onto a
OSA controlled web site and make it possible for OSA to track his
location.

They can trace back to the location where he logged on from, just
like a phone call can be traced back to the location where it was
placed from. The web site will appear to be critical of Scientology
but the criticism is fabricated and fake. When the phony critic keeps
asking you to "log onto this web site" or "log onto that web site"
they are actually doing a form of internet newsgroup "body routing".
They are trying to "body route" you off of this newsgroup and onto a
OSA created or OSA controlled web site. Those web sites were created
to discredit the CRITICS of Scientology NOT Scientology. If after
you're finished reading what's written on those web sites you come to
one or more of the following conclusion regarding the critics of
Scientology:

1. They don't know what there are talking about.

2. They are liars.

3. They are SP's just like L. Ron Hubbard said in his lectures from
the PTS/SP course.

4. They are mentally ill just like L. Ron Hubbard said in his books
and lectures.

5. They are lowlifes or perverts like L. Ron Hubbard said in his books
and lectures.

6. They are at 1.1 on the tone scale like L. Ron Hubbard said in
"Science of Survival".

7. They are religious bigots.

It was no accident! The Church of Scientology wanted you to come
to one or more of those conclusions! That's why those web sites were
created and why they want you to go there so badly.

You "think" that when you log onto one of those web sites you
are OUTSIDE of the Church of Scientology, but you are not! Once you
log onto one of those web sites you are in another division of
Scientology, the OSA division! Those web sites were designed to
discredit the CRITICS of Scientology NOT Scientology!

2. If the phony critic asks him: "Join us on a picket of a Scientology
org" he may follow this bad advise and come out in the open and join
the phony critic or critics on a picket.

The reason the phony critic wants this person to "Come on out
with us on a picket" is so he and his fellow Scientologists can find
out what he looks like and who he is. This is another technique
Scientology uses in order to locate their enemies. Scientology does
not like to have antagonist & enemies and not know who they are and
where they are. The beneficial effects of finding out who these
enemies are cancels out any negative effects caused by the picket.

3. If a phony critic asks him: "Send me you Scientology mail" he may
do just that.

In doing so, Scientology will find out who it is from their
mailing list that is currently taking a critical view of them. This is
just another way for Scientology to find the names and addresses of
their enemies and antagonists. Even if you were to cut out your name
and address off the mail, it could still be there in some other form
like a bar code. Anybody asking you to send them your "Scientology
promotional mail" is most likely an OSA agent pretending to be a
critic, so beware.

4. If the reader is running an organization which is antagonistic
towards Scientology, he may mistakenly let this phony critic into his
organization.

At this point, the phony critic can wreck and destroy his
organization. This is what happened to Bob Minton when he let a phony
critic into his organization. There is nothing more destructive to an
organization than to have an enemy inside that organization pretending
to be a part of that organization. When a man mistakes his enemy for
his friend, he's headed for trouble. This is a mistake Scientology
wants you and me to make.

5. If the phony critic says things that make him sound like a
religions bigot, the reader will conclude that the critics of
Scientology are made up of religious bigots.

6. If the phony critic acts like a pervert or says things that are
perverted, the reader will conclude that the critics of Scientology
are perverts.

Scientology wants the world to think this because that is what L.
Ron Hubbard stated in his books and lectures. One of OAS's goals is to
validate L. Ron Hubbard's claims regarding the enemies of Scientology.

7. If the phony critic acts crazy or says things that are crazy, the
reader will conclude that the critics of Scientology are all mentally
ill.

Scientology wants the world to think this because that is what L.
Ron Hubbard stated in his books and lectures regarding the enemies of
Scientology.

Here is a list of the ways it will benefit Scientology if the
reader makes the mistake of confusing phony criticism for real
criticism.

1. He will get bored with reading criticism of Scientology in general
and go off and do something else.

This is just what Scientology wants to happen. They create what
looks like criticism on the surface but it doesn't really tell you
anything that is hurtful to Scientology. The normal response you get
from reading this type of phony criticism is: "Oh well, who cares
about that?". They make it look like criticism of Scientology but it
doesn't contain any real substance. There is another reason why they
are trying to bore the reader with boring fake criticism. They feel
that most of people who are reading this newsgroup are angry and
looking for blood and guts criticism. By posting criticism that's at
2.5 (boredom) on the tone scale they are hoping to handle the angry
1.5 who's reading it. L. Ron Hubbard said that boredom will handle an
angry person and this is another reason why they employ it.

2. His time will be spent reading phony criticism and not real
criticism.

They know that you can't read phony criticism and real criticism
at the same time. How do you get somebody off real criticism? Give
them phony criticism! They are using it as a distraction. It is sort
of like in the movie "The Wizard of Oz" ware the all powerful Oz says:
"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!". Scientology wants
you to spend your time looking at their fake criticism and not the
real McCoy.

3. He will come away feeling that the critics of Scientology are all
bigots.

If the criticism consists of bigoted statements, the reader will
conclude that the critics of Scientology are all bigots. The phony
criticism is deliberately fabricated to sound like it was written by a
bigot in order to discredit the real critics of Scientology. Everybody
knows what the stereo type is of a religiously bigoted person. They
deliberately write the phony criticism in this stereo-typical fashion.


4. He will come away feeling that the critics of Scientology are all
crazy.

If the criticism consists of crazy, nutty statements, the reader
will conclude that the critics of Scientology are all mentally ill.
The phony criticism is deliberately fabricated to sound like it was
written by a lunatic. One of the things L. Ron Hubbard use to say was
that only the insane would try and stop Scientology. One of OSA's jobs
is to validate what L. Ron Hubbard stated in his books and lectures
regarding the enemies of Scientology.

5. He will come away feeling that the critics of Scientology are all
perverts.

If the criticism contains perverted statements and suggestions,
the reader will conclude that the critics of Scientology are perverts.
Scientology wants the world to think this because that is what L. Ron
Hubbard stated in his books and lectures regarding the enemies of
Scientology.

6. He will come away feeling that the critics of Scientology are all
liars.

If the criticism consists of untrue statements or exaggerations
about L. Ron Hubbard or what L. Ron Hubbard wrote in his books or said
in his lectures, the reader will conclude that the critics of
Scientology are all liars. They will post an article that appears to
be critical of Scientology, either on this newsgroup or on a web site.
Inside that article will contain a few lines of false data that was
deliberately inserted by Scientology. They put the false data in the
article so the reader will discover it. After discovering the false
data, the reader will conclude, seemingly on his own, that the person
who wrote it either doesn't know what he's talking about or is a liar.
Since the person reading the article believes that the person who
wrote the article is a critic of Scientology, he will come to the
conclusion, again seemingly on his own, that the critics of
Scientology don't know what they are talking about or are liars. If
the person reading the article comes to either one these conclusions
it would benefit Scientology, which is the reason why the article was
created and posted in the first place.






Truth Seeker
"OSA Stands for: (O)perations by (S)uppressive (A)ssholes"

=====================================================

If you want to know what Scientology doesn't want you
to know, take a look these posts that I've put up earlier on
this newsgroup. (That's if the Church of "Suppress Free Speech"
hasn't illegally cancelled them)



"How to spot the OSA members on this newsgroup"
"How you know you've just read phony criticism created by Scientology"
"Scientology's Plan to Stop Critics & Criticism on this newsgroup"
"The key to how Scientology is handling this newsgroup"
"Why you should stay away from Scientology"
"The FAQ for Alt.Religion.Scientology"
"Names Scientology is Posting by on this newsgroup"
"Tactics OSA uses to stop critics on this newsgroup"
"The Magical Transformation of Church Member into Critic"
"How Scientology is playing both sides of the coin"
"Scientology's Decoy System"
"The 3 beliefs Scientology wants the world to believe"
"Some different Ways to "Handle" Scientology"
"How Scientology Traps New Members"
"Scientology's Trick to keep people from REAL criticism"
"Weaknesses of the Church of Scientology"
"How Scientology creates identity confusion"
o***@hotmail.com
2003-11-27 12:18:35 UTC
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Trying to block tnis newsgroup by drowning it in a myriad of
identical (or at least almoust identical) postings , is perhaps
another strategy to stop unwanted critics in an unconstitutional way,
and signifiquant for the Co$. (hindering freedom of speech)

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