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SICKENING!!!: Tom & Katie: "'We're Just Scientologists"
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Taylor
2006-04-14 18:19:50 UTC
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People Magazine

There goes Tom again... speaking for the both of them and will soon be
speaking for the himself, Katie and the poor baby. Disgusting.
Repulsive. Where's a lobotomy when you need one? The pathetic thing is,
Katie or Nicole or Mimi won't be able to talk about Tom's controlling
ways until _after_ he's dead almost guaranteed a confidentially
agreement and all. God, what a jerk. And tell me _why_ again you people
support his projects (movies)?

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Tom & Katie: 'We're Just Scientologists'

Friday Apr 14, 2006 8:00am EST
By Stephen M. Silverman

Love and marriage are just two of the topics Tom Cruise touches upon
with Diane Sawyer in an interview scheduled to run Friday night on ABC's
Primetime.

But when it comes down to his 27-year-old pregnant fiancée, the
43-year-old star says, according to excerpts from the Q&A on the ABC Web
site: "We're just a couple that are gonna have a baby and very excited
about it, about this new life."

The child, which is due imminently – Cruise has owned up to knowing the
sex but has not revealed it – will not have a Catholic baptism, despite
Holmes's having been raised a Catholic, says Cruise. Instead, like him,
the baby and new mother will be Scientologists.

"No," Cruise tells Sawyer. "I mean, you can be Catholic and be a
Scientologist. You can be Jewish and be a Scientologist. But we're just
Scientologists."

Cruise dismisses reports that Holmes's religious parents, Martin and
Kathleen Holmes of Ohio, are annoyed by their daughter's shift in faith.
Instead, he says, he's close with "the whole family" and – "absolutely,
yes" – they approve of Scientology, which, according to Cruise, provides
"tools to help better your life. That's what Scientology is. It helps
you to improve your life."

As for improving delivery of the baby through the tenets of Scientology,
Cruise confirms that Holmes will adhere to Scientology's practice of
quiet birth – described by Cruise as a means to "minimize talk and other
noise inside the delivery room" and "basically just respecting the
mother." Addressing speculation that such a practice would deny Holmes
any pain medication should she require it, Cruise says: "She does what
she's gotta do. … If she needs medicine, she needs medicine."

As for what attracted him to Holmes in the first place, Cruise says:
"Her smile drives me crazy in a good way. She has this thing that she
does with her tongue when she smiles. When she's really laughing when
her tongue sticks out … and it's the cutest thing."

But "when we're riding motorcycles," he says, "I tell her look, please
don't stick your tongue out. If we hit a bump or anything I get a little
bit nervous."

He's also charmed by the fact "she loves cupcakes...she loves to laugh,"
he says.

So, why the delay in walking down the aisle? "We were just talking about
it last night," Cruise says. "She has this beautiful belly, this glowing
woman. … We were walking up to bed, and I just, I can't wait till we get
married. I can't wait till I can call and say, 'Hey, you know, put my
wife on the phone.' "
FearTurtle
2006-04-14 18:46:00 UTC
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I go to see his movies because they are normally good movies. Outside the
movies I could care less about his sex life, wife, dad, etc.....

Kind of like people who adored Princess Diana as if she found the cancer
cure. She was nothing more than a part time school teacher who happened to
gain publicity by marrying a Prince. I give her credit for her humanitarian
causes and that is about it......
Post by Taylor
People Magazine
There goes Tom again... speaking for the both of them and will soon be
speaking for the himself, Katie and the poor baby. Disgusting.
Repulsive. Where's a lobotomy when you need one? The pathetic thing is,
Katie or Nicole or Mimi won't be able to talk about Tom's controlling
ways until _after_ he's dead almost guaranteed a confidentially
agreement and all. God, what a jerk. And tell me _why_ again you people
support his projects (movies)?
---
Tom & Katie: 'We're Just Scientologists'
Friday Apr 14, 2006 8:00am EST
By Stephen M. Silverman
Love and marriage are just two of the topics Tom Cruise touches upon
with Diane Sawyer in an interview scheduled to run Friday night on ABC's
Primetime.
But when it comes down to his 27-year-old pregnant fiancée, the
43-year-old star says, according to excerpts from the Q&A on the ABC Web
site: "We're just a couple that are gonna have a baby and very excited
about it, about this new life."
The child, which is due imminently – Cruise has owned up to knowing the
sex but has not revealed it – will not have a Catholic baptism, despite
Holmes's having been raised a Catholic, says Cruise. Instead, like him,
the baby and new mother will be Scientologists.
"No," Cruise tells Sawyer. "I mean, you can be Catholic and be a
Scientologist. You can be Jewish and be a Scientologist. But we're just
Scientologists."
Cruise dismisses reports that Holmes's religious parents, Martin and
Kathleen Holmes of Ohio, are annoyed by their daughter's shift in faith.
Instead, he says, he's close with "the whole family" and – "absolutely,
yes" – they approve of Scientology, which, according to Cruise, provides
"tools to help better your life. That's what Scientology is. It helps
you to improve your life."
As for improving delivery of the baby through the tenets of Scientology,
Cruise confirms that Holmes will adhere to Scientology's practice of
quiet birth – described by Cruise as a means to "minimize talk and other
noise inside the delivery room" and "basically just respecting the
mother." Addressing speculation that such a practice would deny Holmes
any pain medication should she require it, Cruise says: "She does what
she's gotta do. … If she needs medicine, she needs medicine."
"Her smile drives me crazy in a good way. She has this thing that she
does with her tongue when she smiles. When she's really laughing when
her tongue sticks out … and it's the cutest thing."
But "when we're riding motorcycles," he says, "I tell her look, please
don't stick your tongue out. If we hit a bump or anything I get a little
bit nervous."
He's also charmed by the fact "she loves cupcakes...she loves to laugh,"
he says.
So, why the delay in walking down the aisle? "We were just talking about
it last night," Cruise says. "She has this beautiful belly, this glowing
woman. … We were walking up to bed, and I just, I can't wait till we get
married. I can't wait till I can call and say, 'Hey, you know, put my
wife on the phone.' "
Taylor
2006-04-14 21:06:40 UTC
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Post by FearTurtle
I go to see his movies because they are normally good movies. Outside the
movies I could care less about his sex life, wife, dad, etc.....
Kind of like people who adored Princess Diana as if she found the cancer
cure. She was nothing more than a part time school teacher who happened to
gain publicity by marrying a Prince. I give her credit for her humanitarian
causes and that is about it......
;-) She probably faked her death, you know and that possibility could
still occur.
Post by FearTurtle
Post by Taylor
People Magazine
There goes Tom again... speaking for the both of them and will soon be
speaking for the himself, Katie and the poor baby. Disgusting.
Repulsive. Where's a lobotomy when you need one? The pathetic thing is,
Katie or Nicole or Mimi won't be able to talk about Tom's controlling
ways until _after_ he's dead almost guaranteed a confidentially
agreement and all. God, what a jerk. And tell me _why_ again you people
support his projects (movies)?
---
Tom & Katie: 'We're Just Scientologists'
Friday Apr 14, 2006 8:00am EST
By Stephen M. Silverman
Love and marriage are just two of the topics Tom Cruise touches upon
with Diane Sawyer in an interview scheduled to run Friday night on ABC's
Primetime.
But when it comes down to his 27-year-old pregnant fiancée, the
43-year-old star says, according to excerpts from the Q&A on the ABC Web
site: "We're just a couple that are gonna have a baby and very excited
about it, about this new life."
The child, which is due imminently – Cruise has owned up to knowing the
sex but has not revealed it – will not have a Catholic baptism, despite
Holmes's having been raised a Catholic, says Cruise. Instead, like him,
the baby and new mother will be Scientologists.
"No," Cruise tells Sawyer. "I mean, you can be Catholic and be a
Scientologist. You can be Jewish and be a Scientologist. But we're just
Scientologists."
Cruise dismisses reports that Holmes's religious parents, Martin and
Kathleen Holmes of Ohio, are annoyed by their daughter's shift in faith.
Instead, he says, he's close with "the whole family" and – "absolutely,
yes" – they approve of Scientology, which, according to Cruise, provides
"tools to help better your life. That's what Scientology is. It helps
you to improve your life."
As for improving delivery of the baby through the tenets of Scientology,
Cruise confirms that Holmes will adhere to Scientology's practice of
quiet birth – described by Cruise as a means to "minimize talk and other
noise inside the delivery room" and "basically just respecting the
mother." Addressing speculation that such a practice would deny Holmes
any pain medication should she require it, Cruise says: "She does what
she's gotta do. … If she needs medicine, she needs medicine."
"Her smile drives me crazy in a good way. She has this thing that she
does with her tongue when she smiles. When she's really laughing when
her tongue sticks out … and it's the cutest thing."
But "when we're riding motorcycles," he says, "I tell her look, please
don't stick your tongue out. If we hit a bump or anything I get a little
bit nervous."
He's also charmed by the fact "she loves cupcakes...she loves to laugh,"
he says.
So, why the delay in walking down the aisle? "We were just talking about
it last night," Cruise says. "She has this beautiful belly, this glowing
woman. … We were walking up to bed, and I just, I can't wait till we get
married. I can't wait till I can call and say, 'Hey, you know, put my
wife on the phone.' "
p***@quentincrisp.com
2006-04-14 19:13:02 UTC
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Post by Taylor
I can't wait till I can call and say, 'Hey, you know, put
my wife on the phone.' "
Uh-oh. Hope he doesn't make that call from his boyfriend's house,
because then *everybody's* gonna get mad.
Taylor
2006-04-14 21:15:06 UTC
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Post by p***@quentincrisp.com
Post by Taylor
I can't wait till I can call and say, 'Hey, you know, put
my wife on the phone.' "
Uh-oh. Hope he doesn't make that call from his boyfriend's house,
because then *everybody's* gonna get mad.
The doctor will phone Tom at this unknown phone number at this unknown
address and ask if he wants to cut the umbilical cord. Tom will let out
this high-pitched girlish shreik, hang up the phone quickly and jump
back into bed w/ his secret boyfriend (the unknown phone/house).
Marlene Blanshay
2006-04-14 21:20:17 UTC
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Post by Taylor
People Magazine
There goes Tom again... speaking for the both of them and will soon be
speaking for the himself, Katie and the poor baby. Disgusting.
Repulsive. Where's a lobotomy when you need one? The pathetic thing is,
Katie or Nicole or Mimi won't be able to talk about Tom's controlling
ways until _after_ he's dead almost guaranteed a confidentially
agreement and all. God, what a jerk. And tell me _why_ again you people
support his projects (movies)?
---
Tom & Katie: 'We're Just Scientologists'
Friday Apr 14, 2006 8:00am EST
By Stephen M. Silverman
Love and marriage are just two of the topics Tom Cruise touches upon
with Diane Sawyer in an interview scheduled to run Friday night on ABC's
Primetime.
But when it comes down to his 27-year-old pregnant fiancée, the
43-year-old star says, according to excerpts from the Q&A on the ABC Web
site: "We're just a couple that are gonna have a baby and very excited
about it, about this new life."
The child, which is due imminently – Cruise has owned up to knowing the
sex but has not revealed it – will not have a Catholic baptism, despite
Holmes's having been raised a Catholic, says Cruise. Instead, like him,
the baby and new mother will be Scientologists.
"No," Cruise tells Sawyer. "I mean, you can be Catholic and be a
Scientologist. You can be Jewish and be a Scientologist. But we're just
Scientologists."
Cruise dismisses reports that Holmes's religious parents, Martin and
Kathleen Holmes of Ohio, are annoyed by their daughter's shift in faith.
Instead, he says, he's close with "the whole family" and – "absolutely,
yes" – they approve of Scientology, which, according to Cruise, provides
"tools to help better your life. That's what Scientology is. It helps
you to improve your life."
As for improving delivery of the baby through the tenets of Scientology,
Cruise confirms that Holmes will adhere to Scientology's practice of
quiet birth – described by Cruise as a means to "minimize talk and other
noise inside the delivery room" and "basically just respecting the
mother." Addressing speculation that such a practice would deny Holmes
any pain medication should she require it, Cruise says: "She does what
she's gotta do. … If she needs medicine, she needs medicine."
"Her smile drives me crazy in a good way. She has this thing that she
does with her tongue when she smiles. When she's really laughing when
her tongue sticks out … and it's the cutest thing."
But "when we're riding motorcycles," he says, "I tell her look, please
don't stick your tongue out. If we hit a bump or anything I get a little
bit nervous."
He's also charmed by the fact "she loves cupcakes...she loves to laugh,"
he says.
So, why the delay in walking down the aisle? "We were just talking about
it last night," Cruise says. "She has this beautiful belly, this glowing
woman. … We were walking up to bed, and I just, I can't wait till we get
married. I can't wait till I can call and say, 'Hey, you know, put my
wife on the phone.' "
aside from the thing about the glowing belly, he talks about her as if
she's 12 years old... granted she's not much older than that. But it's
like he's talking about his daughter.... ewww.
avery
2006-04-14 21:57:54 UTC
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Post by Marlene Blanshay
Post by Taylor
So, why the delay in walking down the aisle? "We were just talking about
it last night," Cruise says. "She has this beautiful belly, this glowing
woman. … We were walking up to bed, and I just, I can't wait till we get
married. I can't wait till I can call and say, 'Hey, you know, put my
wife on the phone.' "
aside from the thing about the glowing belly, he talks about her as if
she's 12 years old... granted she's not much older than that. But it's
like he's talking about his daughter.... ewww.
My favorite part of this repulsive pukefest is the casual "We were walking
up to bed...." Just in case any of us doubted that he still gets it on with
his glowing, glowing, cupcake-loving woman who does the cutest little thing
with her tongue when she smiles and sticks it out when she laughs. <shudder>
Can he go one straight sentence without being obscenely icky?
David
2006-04-14 21:22:30 UTC
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Post by avery
Post by Marlene Blanshay
Post by Taylor
So, why the delay in walking down the aisle? "We were just talking about
it last night," Cruise says. "She has this beautiful belly, this glowing
woman. … We were walking up to bed, and I just, I can't wait till we get
married. I can't wait till I can call and say, 'Hey, you know, put my
wife on the phone.' "
aside from the thing about the glowing belly, he talks about her as if
she's 12 years old... granted she's not much older than that. But it's
like he's talking about his daughter.... ewww.
My favorite part of this repulsive pukefest
I think it's repulsive how people go out of their way to seek out
every bit of information they can about these complete strangers and
then pretend to be repulsed by it.
avery
2006-04-14 22:08:18 UTC
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Post by David
Post by avery
Post by Marlene Blanshay
Post by Taylor
So, why the delay in walking down the aisle? "We were just talking about
it last night," Cruise says. "She has this beautiful belly, this glowing
woman. . We were walking up to bed, and I just, I can't wait till we
get
married. I can't wait till I can call and say, 'Hey, you know, put my
wife on the phone.' "
aside from the thing about the glowing belly, he talks about her as if
she's 12 years old... granted she's not much older than that. But it's
like he's talking about his daughter.... ewww.
My favorite part of this repulsive pukefest
I think it's repulsive how people go out of their way to seek out
every bit of information they can about these complete strangers and
then pretend to be repulsed by it.
Hey, guessy what!
If reading a post is "going out of one's way" and if voiced disgust is a
pretence, then you just did exactly the same thing, you bitter little
halfwit.
purplepain78
2006-04-14 22:25:55 UTC
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Post by avery
Hey, guessy what!
If reading a post is "going out of one's way" and if voiced disgust is a
pretence, then you just did exactly the same thing, you bitter little
halfwit.
*claps* Well done avery! That was a checkmate if I have ever seen one!
HAHAHAHAHAHA
BTR1701
2006-04-15 02:45:45 UTC
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Post by purplepain78
Post by avery
Hey, guessy what!
If reading a post is "going out of one's way" and if voiced disgust is a
pretence, then you just did exactly the same thing, you bitter little
halfwit.
*claps* Well done avery! That was a checkmate if I have ever seen one!
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Then you've never seen one.
purplepain78
2006-04-15 02:47:11 UTC
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Maybe not, but that definately wasn't it either...
Post by BTR1701
Post by purplepain78
Post by avery
Hey, guessy what!
If reading a post is "going out of one's way" and if voiced disgust is a
pretence, then you just did exactly the same thing, you bitter little
halfwit.
*claps* Well done avery! That was a checkmate if I have ever seen one!
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Then you've never seen one.
Taylor
2006-04-15 04:24:45 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by purplepain78
Post by avery
Hey, guessy what!
If reading a post is "going out of one's way" and if voiced disgust is a
pretence, then you just did exactly the same thing, you bitter little
halfwit.
*claps* Well done avery! That was a checkmate if I have ever seen one!
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Then you've never seen one.
I guess you've never seen a good pissing contest, either, but I can
out-piss ANYONE and I.................................

Sorry. I got distracted and can't finish my thought because I'm going to
go write a really, really hot gay Tom Cruise story and post it on Nifty.org.
Taylor
2006-04-15 03:57:53 UTC
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Post by avery
Post by Marlene Blanshay
Post by Taylor
So, why the delay in walking down the aisle? "We were just talking about
it last night," Cruise says. "She has this beautiful belly, this glowing
woman. … We were walking up to bed, and I just, I can't wait till we get
married. I can't wait till I can call and say, 'Hey, you know, put my
wife on the phone.' "
aside from the thing about the glowing belly, he talks about her as if
she's 12 years old... granted she's not much older than that. But it's
like he's talking about his daughter.... ewww.
My favorite part of this repulsive pukefest is the casual "We were walking
up to bed...." Just in case any of us doubted that he still gets it on with
his glowing, glowing, cupcake-loving woman who does the cutest little thing
with her tongue when she smiles and sticks it out when she laughs. <shudder>
Can he go one straight sentence without being obscenely icky?
Sterile Tom has something to prove.
Buttercup
2006-04-14 21:43:11 UTC
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Taylor

And tell me _why_ again you people
support his projects (movies)? <<<<<<<<

Would I bother to go to a Hitler or Bin Laden production?
No, I would not. Cruise is an jackass - BFD - I'll still
watch a jackass production.
purplepain78
2006-04-14 21:51:43 UTC
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Question:

Has Holmes ever said anything about scientology herself?
Post by Taylor
People Magazine
There goes Tom again... speaking for the both of them and will soon be
speaking for the himself, Katie and the poor baby. Disgusting.
Repulsive. Where's a lobotomy when you need one? The pathetic thing is,
Katie or Nicole or Mimi won't be able to talk about Tom's controlling
ways until _after_ he's dead almost guaranteed a confidentially
agreement and all. God, what a jerk. And tell me _why_ again you people
support his projects (movies)?
---
Tom & Katie: 'We're Just Scientologists'
Friday Apr 14, 2006 8:00am EST
By Stephen M. Silverman
Love and marriage are just two of the topics Tom Cruise touches upon
with Diane Sawyer in an interview scheduled to run Friday night on ABC's
Primetime.
But when it comes down to his 27-year-old pregnant fiancée, the
43-year-old star says, according to excerpts from the Q&A on the ABC Web
site: "We're just a couple that are gonna have a baby and very excited
about it, about this new life."
The child, which is due imminently - Cruise has owned up to knowing the
sex but has not revealed it - will not have a Catholic baptism, despite
Holmes's having been raised a Catholic, says Cruise. Instead, like him,
the baby and new mother will be Scientologists.
"No," Cruise tells Sawyer. "I mean, you can be Catholic and be a
Scientologist. You can be Jewish and be a Scientologist. But we're just
Scientologists."
Cruise dismisses reports that Holmes's religious parents, Martin and
Kathleen Holmes of Ohio, are annoyed by their daughter's shift in faith.
Instead, he says, he's close with "the whole family" and - "absolutely,
yes" - they approve of Scientology, which, according to Cruise, provides
"tools to help better your life. That's what Scientology is. It helps
you to improve your life."
As for improving delivery of the baby through the tenets of Scientology,
Cruise confirms that Holmes will adhere to Scientology's practice of
quiet birth - described by Cruise as a means to "minimize talk and other
noise inside the delivery room" and "basically just respecting the
mother." Addressing speculation that such a practice would deny Holmes
any pain medication should she require it, Cruise says: "She does what
she's gotta do. ... If she needs medicine, she needs medicine."
"Her smile drives me crazy in a good way. She has this thing that she
does with her tongue when she smiles. When she's really laughing when
her tongue sticks out ... and it's the cutest thing."
But "when we're riding motorcycles," he says, "I tell her look, please
don't stick your tongue out. If we hit a bump or anything I get a little
bit nervous."
He's also charmed by the fact "she loves cupcakes...she loves to laugh,"
he says.
So, why the delay in walking down the aisle? "We were just talking about
it last night," Cruise says. "She has this beautiful belly, this glowing
woman. ... We were walking up to bed, and I just, I can't wait till we get
married. I can't wait till I can call and say, 'Hey, you know, put my
wife on the phone.' "
Suzy Creamcheese
2006-04-14 21:54:39 UTC
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Post by purplepain78
Has Holmes ever said anything about scientology herself?
I've never heard her say anything about it but that she thought it was interesting and great and "cool". . .S
avery
2006-04-14 21:58:23 UTC
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Post by purplepain78
Has Holmes ever said anything about scientology herself?
I've never heard her say anything about it but that she thought it was
interesting and great and "cool". . .S
Didn't she have a crush on it ever since she was 12?
purplepain78
2006-04-14 22:03:20 UTC
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Omg this gets scarier and scarier every word I read about it!
Post by avery
Post by purplepain78
Has Holmes ever said anything about scientology herself?
I've never heard her say anything about it but that she thought it was
interesting and great and "cool". . .S
Didn't she have a crush on it ever since she was 12?
explorer
2006-04-15 00:09:40 UTC
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Post by avery
Post by purplepain78
Has Holmes ever said anything about scientology herself?
I've never heard her say anything about it but that she thought it was
interesting and great and "cool". . .S
Didn't she have a crush on it ever since she was 12?
If we all married the stars we were madly in love with when we were 12, then
I'd be Mrs Shaun Cassidy.
p***@gmail.com
2006-04-15 00:21:01 UTC
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I'd be married to Donnie Wahlberg (sp)....LOL
Post by explorer
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Post by avery
Post by purplepain78
Has Holmes ever said anything about scientology herself?
I've never heard her say anything about it but that she thought it was
interesting and great and "cool". . .S
Didn't she have a crush on it ever since she was 12?
If we all married the stars we were madly in love with when we were 12, then
I'd be Mrs Shaun Cassidy.
Taylor
2006-04-15 04:13:15 UTC
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Post by p***@gmail.com
I'd be married to Donnie Wahlberg (sp)....LOL
*singing*: "You got the right stuff..."

I wonder what religion Jonthan Taylor Thomas was hatched from.
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Post by explorer
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Post by avery
Post by purplepain78
Has Holmes ever said anything about scientology herself?
I've never heard her say anything about it but that she thought it was
interesting and great and "cool". . .S
Didn't she have a crush on it ever since she was 12?
If we all married the stars we were madly in love with when we were 12, then
I'd be Mrs Shaun Cassidy.
Podkayne Fries
2006-04-16 20:43:41 UTC
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Post by explorer
If we all married the stars we were madly in love with when we were 12, then
I'd be Mrs Shaun Cassidy.
I'd be married to Donnie Wahlberg (sp)....LOL
I'd be married to Lt. Sulu. <g>
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preesi
2006-04-15 01:17:06 UTC
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Post by purplepain78
Has Holmes ever said anything about scientology herself?
I've never heard her say anything about it but that she thought it
was interesting and great and "cool". . .S
Didn't she have a crush on it ever since she was 12?
If we all married the stars we were madly in love with when we were
12, then I'd be Mrs Shaun Cassidy.
My first BF looked like Shaun Cassidy. I had a SC Tshirt and everything
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explorer
2006-04-15 01:39:55 UTC
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Post by purplepain78
Has Holmes ever said anything about scientology herself?
I've never heard her say anything about it but that she thought it
was interesting and great and "cool". . .S
Didn't she have a crush on it ever since she was 12?
If we all married the stars we were madly in love with when we were
12, then I'd be Mrs Shaun Cassidy.
My first BF looked like Shaun Cassidy. I had a SC Tshirt and everything
--
preesi
~~~~~~~~~
But the question is: was he your boyfriend because he looked like Shaun
Cassidy?? Did the passage of time reveal it, or was it just a coincidence?
preesi
2006-04-15 01:44:25 UTC
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Post by purplepain78
Has Holmes ever said anything about scientology herself?
I've never heard her say anything about it but that she thought
it was interesting and great and "cool". . .S
Didn't she have a crush on it ever since she was 12?
If we all married the stars we were madly in love with when we were
12, then I'd be Mrs Shaun Cassidy.
My first BF looked like Shaun Cassidy. I had a SC Tshirt and
everything
--
preesi
~~~~~~~~~
But the question is: was he your boyfriend because he looked like
Shaun Cassidy?? Did the passage of time reveal it, or was it just a
coincidence?
He was my BF cause he was the cutest boy in school.
He had that SC mouth lip thing going that even today on his comedy (hes
a writer for Leno) website STILL is there
--
preesi
~~~~~~~~~
"Women complain about premenstrual syndrome, but I think of it as the
only time of the month that I can be myself." ~Roseanne
~~~~~~~~~
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Skype: Preesi
Taylor
2006-04-15 04:16:00 UTC
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Has Holmes ever said anything about scientology herself?
I've never heard her say anything about it but that she thought it
was interesting and great and "cool". . .S
Didn't she have a crush on it ever since she was 12?
If we all married the stars we were madly in love with when we were
12, then I'd be Mrs Shaun Cassidy.
My first BF looked like Shaun Cassidy. I had a SC Tshirt and everything
Did it parish in the on-set trailer fire?
Taylor
2006-04-15 04:11:36 UTC
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Has Holmes ever said anything about scientology herself?
I've never heard her say anything about it but that she thought it was
interesting and great and "cool". . .S
Didn't she have a crush on it ever since she was 12?
If we all married the stars we were madly in love with when we were 12, then
I'd be Mrs Shaun Cassidy.
I wonder how many Mrs. Jonthan Taylor Thomases there would be in the
world? I think the growing up of JTT cast the TRUE end of teen magazines
like Teen Beat and Tiger.
t***@gmail.com
2006-04-16 19:12:01 UTC
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That's probably what some of the folks who got involved with Jim Jones
said, too. :-)
explorer
2006-04-15 00:08:12 UTC
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People Magazine
There goes Tom again... speaking for the both of them and will soon be
speaking for the himself, Katie and the poor baby. Disgusting.
Repulsive. Where's a lobotomy when you need one? The pathetic thing is,
Katie or Nicole or Mimi won't be able to talk about Tom's controlling
ways until _after_ he's dead almost guaranteed a confidentially
agreement and all. God, what a jerk. And tell me _why_ again you people
support his projects (movies)?
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Has Holmes ever said anything about scientology herself?
She's not allowed to say anything but "Tom's so awesome."
preesi
2006-04-15 01:16:01 UTC
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People Magazine
There goes Tom again... speaking for the both of them and will soon
be speaking for the himself, Katie and the poor baby. Disgusting.
Repulsive. Where's a lobotomy when you need one? The pathetic thing
is, Katie or Nicole or Mimi won't be able to talk about Tom's
controlling ways until _after_ he's dead almost guaranteed a
confidentially agreement and all. God, what a jerk. And tell me
_why_ again you people support his projects (movies)?
---
Has Holmes ever said anything about scientology herself?
She's not allowed to say anything but "Tom's so awesome."
Thats not AWESOME, she says AMAZING
--
preesi
~~~~~~~~~
"Women complain about premenstrual syndrome, but I think of it as the
only time of the month that I can be myself." ~Roseanne
~~~~~~~~~
My Websites and Favorite Links: http://tinyurl.com/yvw45
Yahoo/SidekickII Name: MissPreesi
Skype: Preesi
Taylor
2006-04-15 04:10:34 UTC
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People Magazine
There goes Tom again... speaking for the both of them and will soon be
speaking for the himself, Katie and the poor baby. Disgusting.
Repulsive. Where's a lobotomy when you need one? The pathetic thing is,
Katie or Nicole or Mimi won't be able to talk about Tom's controlling
ways until _after_ he's dead almost guaranteed a confidentially
agreement and all. God, what a jerk. And tell me _why_ again you people
support his projects (movies)?
---
Has Holmes ever said anything about scientology herself?
She's not allowed to say anything but "Tom's so awesome."
I don't think she's even allowed to say "It's okay, Tom. I happens to a
lot of guys." even when it's just the two of them.
Taylor
2006-04-15 03:56:00 UTC
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Has Holmes ever said anything about scientology herself?
Of course not. If anything, very, very little. Tom does the talking FOR
her. Reporters at celebrity magazines interviewing her have called her
"robotic" (as mentioned on Friday's episode of CNN Headline News'
Showbiz Tonight). The question was posed, in 10 years will they still be
together???????
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Post by Taylor
People Magazine
There goes Tom again... speaking for the both of them and will soon be
speaking for the himself, Katie and the poor baby. Disgusting.
Repulsive. Where's a lobotomy when you need one? The pathetic thing is,
Katie or Nicole or Mimi won't be able to talk about Tom's controlling
ways until _after_ he's dead almost guaranteed a confidentially
agreement and all. God, what a jerk. And tell me _why_ again you people
support his projects (movies)?
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Tom & Katie: 'We're Just Scientologists'
Friday Apr 14, 2006 8:00am EST
By Stephen M. Silverman
Love and marriage are just two of the topics Tom Cruise touches upon
with Diane Sawyer in an interview scheduled to run Friday night on ABC's
Primetime.
But when it comes down to his 27-year-old pregnant fiancée, the
43-year-old star says, according to excerpts from the Q&A on the ABC Web
site: "We're just a couple that are gonna have a baby and very excited
about it, about this new life."
The child, which is due imminently - Cruise has owned up to knowing the
sex but has not revealed it - will not have a Catholic baptism, despite
Holmes's having been raised a Catholic, says Cruise. Instead, like him,
the baby and new mother will be Scientologists.
"No," Cruise tells Sawyer. "I mean, you can be Catholic and be a
Scientologist. You can be Jewish and be a Scientologist. But we're just
Scientologists."
Cruise dismisses reports that Holmes's religious parents, Martin and
Kathleen Holmes of Ohio, are annoyed by their daughter's shift in faith.
Instead, he says, he's close with "the whole family" and - "absolutely,
yes" - they approve of Scientology, which, according to Cruise, provides
"tools to help better your life. That's what Scientology is. It helps
you to improve your life."
As for improving delivery of the baby through the tenets of Scientology,
Cruise confirms that Holmes will adhere to Scientology's practice of
quiet birth - described by Cruise as a means to "minimize talk and other
noise inside the delivery room" and "basically just respecting the
mother." Addressing speculation that such a practice would deny Holmes
any pain medication should she require it, Cruise says: "She does what
she's gotta do. ... If she needs medicine, she needs medicine."
"Her smile drives me crazy in a good way. She has this thing that she
does with her tongue when she smiles. When she's really laughing when
her tongue sticks out ... and it's the cutest thing."
But "when we're riding motorcycles," he says, "I tell her look, please
don't stick your tongue out. If we hit a bump or anything I get a little
bit nervous."
He's also charmed by the fact "she loves cupcakes...she loves to laugh,"
he says.
So, why the delay in walking down the aisle? "We were just talking about
it last night," Cruise says. "She has this beautiful belly, this glowing
woman. ... We were walking up to bed, and I just, I can't wait till we get
married. I can't wait till I can call and say, 'Hey, you know, put my
wife on the phone.' "
Laura M
2006-04-14 22:54:04 UTC
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People Magazine
"Her smile drives me crazy in a good way. She has this thing that she
does with her tongue when she smiles. When she's really laughing when
her tongue sticks out ... and it's the cutest thing.
But "when we're riding motorcycles," he says, "I tell her look, please
don't stick your tongue out. If we hit a bump or anything I get a little
bit nervous."
He's also charmed by the fact "she loves cupcakes...she loves to laugh,"
he says.
It sounds like he's talking about someone who could be his daughter for
cryin' out loud. Cupcakes and laughter. How adorable.
Post by Taylor
So, why the delay in walking down the aisle? "We were just talking about
it last night," Cruise says. "She has this beautiful belly, this glowing
woman. ... We were walking up to bed, and I just, I can't wait till we get
married. I can't wait till I can call and say, 'Hey, you know, put my
wife on the phone.' "
So why is it they can't get married now? I'm not sure I understand.
If he's so anxious to get married, then why didn't they already? Weird.
explorer
2006-04-15 00:10:50 UTC
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People Magazine
"Her smile drives me crazy in a good way. She has this thing that she
does with her tongue when she smiles. When she's really laughing when
her tongue sticks out ... and it's the cutest thing.
But "when we're riding motorcycles," he says, "I tell her look, please
don't stick your tongue out. If we hit a bump or anything I get a little
bit nervous."
He's also charmed by the fact "she loves cupcakes...she loves to laugh,"
he says.
Here, now, I thought everyone loved the people who don't love to laugh......
Taylor
2006-04-15 04:02:00 UTC
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Post by Taylor
People Magazine
"Her smile drives me crazy in a good way. She has this thing that she
does with her tongue when she smiles. When she's really laughing when
her tongue sticks out ... and it's the cutest thing.
But "when we're riding motorcycles," he says, "I tell her look, please
don't stick your tongue out. If we hit a bump or anything I get a little
bit nervous."
He's also charmed by the fact "she loves cupcakes...she loves to laugh,"
he says.
It sounds like he's talking about someone who could be his daughter for
cryin' out loud. Cupcakes and laughter. How adorable.
Post by Taylor
So, why the delay in walking down the aisle? "We were just talking about
it last night," Cruise says. "She has this beautiful belly, this glowing
woman. ... We were walking up to bed, and I just, I can't wait till we get
married. I can't wait till I can call and say, 'Hey, you know, put my
wife on the phone.' "
So why is it they can't get married now? I'm not sure I understand.
If he's so anxious to get married, then why didn't they already? Weird.
He's just waiting for the first week or so gauging of MI: 3 box office
receipts to take action either way based on them.
River Of No Return
2006-04-15 07:27:07 UTC
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It's evident that Hollywood and Tinseltown in the past did not have an
issue with a child borne of a mixed marriage (in this case it would be
more like mixed up) but whether the parents were actually MARRIED !
Say, Ingrid Bergman, anyone ? Boy, how times have changed.

If Katie was only invited to become a member providing she could have
children, this might explain the delayed marriage.

The Church of Scientology sounds more like "The Church of What's
Happening Now, and Give me all your money, Dummy" !!!

And then there's the nasty rumor that Tom prefers twinkies ! Oh, my.
What will they say next about the Boy Wonder next >?

I'm sure if there was any truth that Tom walked on the other side, John
Travolta would know. Oh, aren't they both members of the same church?
Hmmm ... I see a pattern here !

One last question I ponder. According to this Church ... they mandate
natural child birth, is this correct from I read ?? Well, if so Katie,
tell me when the magic moment occurs and we'll all scream for you.
Valerie
2006-04-15 12:02:39 UTC
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Post by Taylor
People Magazine
"Her smile drives me crazy in a good way. She has this thing that she
does with her tongue when she smiles. When she's really laughing when
her tongue sticks out ... and it's the cutest thing.
But "when we're riding motorcycles," he says, "I tell her look, please
don't stick your tongue out. If we hit a bump or anything I get a little
bit nervous."
He's also charmed by the fact "she loves cupcakes...she loves to laugh,"
he says.
It sounds like he's talking about someone who could be his daughter for
cryin' out loud. Cupcakes and laughter. How adorable.
Post by Taylor
So, why the delay in walking down the aisle? "We were just talking about
it last night," Cruise says. "She has this beautiful belly, this glowing
woman. ... We were walking up to bed, and I just, I can't wait till we get
married. I can't wait till I can call and say, 'Hey, you know, put my
wife on the phone.' "
So why is it they can't get married now? I'm not sure I understand.
If he's so anxious to get married, then why didn't they already? Weird.
His movie hasn't come out yet.

Valerie
http://www.scientology-kills.org
William December Starr
2006-04-15 23:47:32 UTC
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So why is it they can't get married now? I'm not sure I
understand. If he's so anxious to get married, then why
didn't they already? Weird.
The animatronic L. Ron keeps breaking down.
--
William December Starr <***@panix.com>
RichA
2006-04-14 23:34:36 UTC
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So I hear scientology prohibits Holmes from moving or crying out during
labour.
I wonder why this is?
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
2006-04-14 23:44:59 UTC
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So I hear scientology prohibits Holmes from moving or crying out during
labour.
I wonder why this is?
To remind her of the sexual act that created the sprog.
--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

***@carolina.rr.com.REMOVE
Taylor
2006-04-15 04:08:17 UTC
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Post by RichA
So I hear scientology prohibits Holmes from moving or crying out during
labour.
I wonder why this is?
To remind her of the sexual act that created the sprog.
Is THAT why she isn't having an Easter dinner this Sunday... turkey
baster phobia?
p***@gmail.com
2006-04-15 01:04:57 UTC
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Post by RichA
So I hear scientology prohibits Holmes from moving or crying out during
labour.
I wonder why this is?
From everything I could research this isn't true. They just aren't
supposed to talk to her while she's in labor, she can talk all she
wants. I tried to read the reasoning behind this but it was complicated
bullshit. They treat all people in pain like this. If someone is in
pain you aren't allowed talk to them. It's called Dianetics, dinetics,
dentics...I don't remember the word, and frankly I don't care cause
it's bassless bullshit that Hubbard came up with.
Phoenix
2006-04-15 01:52:11 UTC
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Post by RichA
So I hear scientology prohibits Holmes from moving or crying out during
labour.
I wonder why this is?
From everything I could research this isn't true. They just aren't
supposed to talk to her while she's in labor, she can talk all she
wants. I tried to read the reasoning behind this but it was complicated
bullshit. They treat all people in pain like this. If someone is in
pain you aren't allowed talk to them. It's called Dianetics, dinetics,
dentics...I don't remember the word, and frankly I don't care cause
it's bassless bullshit that Hubbard came up with.
Yep. Also, if you hit something, or get hit by something that causes
pain, you are supposed to retouch the object in the same way until the
pain disappears.

It's a cool way to spot a $cientologist. Watch for what they do after
stubbing their toe, say, or bumping their head on something. You'll see
them re-inacting the event to release the stored engram. <snicker>

bel
Kris Baker
2006-04-15 01:55:03 UTC
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Post by Phoenix
It's a cool way to spot a $cientologist. Watch for what they do after
stubbing their toe, say, or bumping their head on something. You'll see
them re-inacting the event to release the stored engram. <snicker>
bel
So Tom wasn't *really* jumping on Oprah's couch....but
releasing fart engrams?

Kris
I get it now!
purplepain78
2006-04-15 01:59:51 UTC
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Oh for the love of sanity....it makes me want to cry. I used to be
wrapped up in a religion and all the bullshit that went with it. When I
let it go I felt so free and calm for the first time in my life...

What a load of bullshit.

Make me wanna follow these freaks around and shout "Hubbard can suck my
girly dick" everytime they get a paper cut...

WOAH...ok, I'm calm now...LOL
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Post by RichA
So I hear scientology prohibits Holmes from moving or crying out during
labour.
I wonder why this is?
From everything I could research this isn't true. They just aren't
supposed to talk to her while she's in labor, she can talk all she
wants. I tried to read the reasoning behind this but it was complicated
bullshit. They treat all people in pain like this. If someone is in
pain you aren't allowed talk to them. It's called Dianetics, dinetics,
dentics...I don't remember the word, and frankly I don't care cause
it's bassless bullshit that Hubbard came up with.
Yep. Also, if you hit something, or get hit by something that causes
pain, you are supposed to retouch the object in the same way until the
pain disappears.
It's a cool way to spot a $cientologist. Watch for what they do after
stubbing their toe, say, or bumping their head on something. You'll see
them re-inacting the event to release the stored engram. <snicker>
bel
River Of No Return
2006-04-15 07:32:08 UTC
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what happens when they fart ? They have to eat beans and drink a beer
again ? Well, that could break the silence !!!

If it's that easy to spot a Scientologist then they must be hanging out
at the corner pub !
Taylor
2006-04-15 04:07:05 UTC
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Post by RichA
So I hear scientology prohibits Holmes from moving or crying out during
labour.
I wonder why this is?
Um... because the aliens hovering far above Earth trying to pick her up
have really bad aim on their wide-beam transporter?
e***@aol.com
2006-04-14 23:52:24 UTC
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Post by Taylor
People Magazine
The child, which is due imminently - Cruise has owned up to knowing the
sex but has not revealed it - will not have a Catholic baptism, despite
Holmes's having been raised a Catholic, says Cruise. Instead, like him,
the baby and new mother will be Scientologists.
"No," Cruise tells Sawyer. "I mean, you can be Catholic and be a
Scientologist. You can be Jewish and be a Scientologist. But we're just
Scientologists."
Let's see if I can get the policy of the ABC Scranton, Pa. affiliate
straight.

A Good Friday airing of the local minor league baseball team's home
opener = wrong.

A Good Friday airing of an interview in which a celebrity praises his
pregnant non-wife's abandonment of the Catholic faith = A-OK.

Gotcha.

Everett W.
Taylor
2006-04-15 04:09:39 UTC
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Post by Taylor
People Magazine
The child, which is due imminently - Cruise has owned up to knowing the
sex but has not revealed it - will not have a Catholic baptism, despite
Holmes's having been raised a Catholic, says Cruise. Instead, like him,
the baby and new mother will be Scientologists.
"No," Cruise tells Sawyer. "I mean, you can be Catholic and be a
Scientologist. You can be Jewish and be a Scientologist. But we're just
Scientologists."
Let's see if I can get the policy of the ABC Scranton, Pa. affiliate
straight.
A Good Friday airing of the local minor league baseball team's home
opener = wrong.
A Good Friday airing of an interview in which a celebrity praises his
pregnant non-wife's abandonment of the Catholic faith = A-OK.
Gotcha.
Everett W.
If it helps any, all the anchors on WJET-TV24 Erie, PA look ready to
commit suicide.
slas
2006-04-15 03:03:26 UTC
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Like other religions aren't as wacky (circumcision? eating a wafer?
kneeling inside a box & telling a priest your sins? whacking yourself
on the head with a sabre?)

please....
purplepain78
2006-04-15 03:57:05 UTC
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Post by slas
Like other religions aren't as wacky (circumcision? eating a wafer?
kneeling inside a box & telling a priest your sins? whacking yourself
on the head with a sabre?)
please....
Oh, you are so right, but this thread is about scientology. And
scientology has a creepy quality that not even the catholic church can
touch.
Taylor
2006-04-15 04:26:24 UTC
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Post by slas
Like other religions aren't as wacky (circumcision? eating a wafer?
kneeling inside a box & telling a priest your sins? whacking yourself
on the head with a sabre?)
please....
People getting aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall bent out of shape just because
The Beatles dare say they're bigger than Jesus. I thik circumcision is
the wackiest.
BTR1701
2006-04-15 13:09:08 UTC
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Post by slas
Like other religions aren't as wacky (circumcision? eating a wafer?
kneeling inside a box & telling a priest your sins? whacking yourself
on the head with a sabre?)
please....
And is believing that your body is full of evil alien residue any more
ridiculous than say Moses taking orders from a piece of pyrotechnic
shrubbery?
preesi
2006-04-15 14:49:57 UTC
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Post by slas
Like other religions aren't as wacky (circumcision? eating a wafer?
kneeling inside a box & telling a priest your sins? whacking yourself
on the head with a sabre?)
please....
And is believing that your body is full of evil alien residue any more
ridiculous than say Moses taking orders from a piece of pyrotechnic
shrubbery?
You have a point there, BUT, where is the EVIDENCE that Hubbard was
relayed all this info?
Hes simply a bad sci-fi writer, who regurgitated old defunct quack
psychology theory into a so called religion (adding sci-fi Xenu elements
for fun) because he wanted to make money and score with chicks.
He probably had a puny cock!
--
preesi
~~~~~~~~~
"Women complain about premenstrual syndrome, but I think of it as the
only time of the month that I can be myself." ~Roseanne
~~~~~~~~~
My Websites and Favorite Links: http://tinyurl.com/yvw45
Yahoo/SidekickII Name: MissPreesi
Skype: Preesi
BTR1701
2006-04-15 17:29:12 UTC
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Post by slas
Like other religions aren't as wacky (circumcision? eating a wafer?
kneeling inside a box & telling a priest your sins? whacking yourself
on the head with a sabre?)
please....
And is believing that your body is full of evil alien residue any more
ridiculous than say Moses taking orders from a piece of pyrotechnic
shrubbery?
You have a point there, BUT, where is the EVIDENCE that Hubbard was
relayed all this info?
Where is the EVIDENCE that Moses had a conversation with a flaming hedge?
preesi
2006-04-15 17:41:36 UTC
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Post by preesi
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Post by slas
Like other religions aren't as wacky (circumcision? eating a
wafer? kneeling inside a box & telling a priest your sins?
whacking yourself on the head with a sabre?)
please....
And is believing that your body is full of evil alien residue any
more ridiculous than say Moses taking orders from a piece of
pyrotechnic shrubbery?
You have a point there, BUT, where is the EVIDENCE that Hubbard was
relayed all this info?
Where is the EVIDENCE that Moses had a conversation with a flaming hedge?
Moses didnt say, "The best way to get money is to start your own
religion"
--
preesi
~~~~~~~~~
"Women complain about premenstrual syndrome, but I think of it as the
only time of the month that I can be myself." ~Roseanne
~~~~~~~~~
My Websites and Favorite Links: http://tinyurl.com/yvw45
Yahoo/SidekickII Name: MissPreesi
Skype: Preesi
BTR1701
2006-04-15 19:01:32 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by preesi
Post by BTR1701
Post by slas
Like other religions aren't as wacky (circumcision? eating a
wafer? kneeling inside a box & telling a priest your sins?
whacking yourself on the head with a sabre?)
please....
And is believing that your body is full of evil alien residue any
more ridiculous than say Moses taking orders from a piece of
pyrotechnic shrubbery?
You have a point there, BUT, where is the EVIDENCE that Hubbard was
relayed all this info?
Where is the EVIDENCE that Moses had a conversation with a flaming hedge?
Moses didnt say, "The best way to get money is to start your own
religion"
So? The Christian preachers make zillions by telling people that the
best way to get to heaven is to send them money.

Just another variation on a very old tune.
Nelson W.Staffer
2006-04-16 09:57:58 UTC
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Post by preesi
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Post by preesi
Post by BTR1701
Post by slas
Like other religions aren't as wacky (circumcision? eating a
wafer? kneeling inside a box & telling a priest your sins?
whacking yourself on the head with a sabre?)
please....
And is believing that your body is full of evil alien residue any
more ridiculous than say Moses taking orders from a piece of
pyrotechnic shrubbery?
You have a point there, BUT, where is the EVIDENCE that Hubbard was
relayed all this info?
Where is the EVIDENCE that Moses had a conversation with a flaming hedge?
Moses didnt say, "The best way to get money is to start your own
religion"
So? The Christian preachers make zillions by telling people that the
best way to get to heaven is to send them money.
Just another variation on a very old tune.
Exactly!!!!!!! Very Scientolgocial from you. Chritsians are the most
stupid of all the peeple in the world. (hint - "other cheek" -
hehehehehe what f*cking idiots) RON knew that and told us Scientolgoists
hwo to hanlde them so come join us and learn how to get somehting out
from those dumbwits!!!!!!!! It cost cheap. ONly 200 fro 1st course. ...

Nel
--
Hello my name is Nelson

I am a scientologist. In Los Angeles.
Sea Org (lifetime staffer, 1978-)
Flag June 1977-Jul 1989 (TTC, Sup, Word Clearer, D of T, etc.)
Int Base 1981-1980 (Routing Forms Pjt)
Snr HCO Int in the FB in LA 1987-898
Re-Training (Int and LA)
In Training Org, LA MA NY (Sec Checker Sup)
LRH Tech Research and Comps, CMO Int, EXT Tr HCOB (Sept 90 - 99)
Int RPF Ext Int staff(Feb-Mar 96)
PAC RPF RPF + (Hubard Qualified Auditior) (Mar-May 97)
Int Training Org (May-Sept) (Admin Supv)
INCOMMS Sep 96-Sept 03 (Routing Forms Pjtrlh)
INCOMM IRS (LRH qualified) Sept (Computer Room LA & Int)
ASI May 92-Dec05 ASCCII C++ java - dedrug(Computer Room, In-Training Esto)
Decks Int clear Ext + *** (Ron) (Dec 05-Jun 06)
Int RPF RPFFED(Jun 06-Nov 2000)
PAC RPF (Nov 2000-Mar2004)
OT 1 1969 (Aplo Ron)
Ot 7 2004 (DM audited: M auditor B)
Clear

Join SO and network to old Sea Org friends or
media call me! At any ORG ask for Nelson from time to time,
if you don't care they know that you have read ars that is,
and I will network anyone to Ron and M.Rinder, scientologist.

interesting websites:
http://www.ron-hubbard.org
www.truthabouthubbard.org
BTR1701
2006-04-16 13:07:23 UTC
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Post by preesi
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Post by slas
Like other religions aren't as wacky (circumcision? eating a
wafer? kneeling inside a box & telling a priest your sins?
whacking yourself on the head with a sabre?)
please....
And is believing that your body is full of evil alien residue any
more ridiculous than say Moses taking orders from a piece of
pyrotechnic shrubbery?
You have a point there, BUT, where is the EVIDENCE that Hubbard was
relayed all this info?
Where is the EVIDENCE that Moses had a conversation with a flaming hedge?
Moses didnt say, "The best way to get money is to start your own
religion"
So? The Christian preachers make zillions by telling people that the
best way to get to heaven is to send them money.
Just another variation on a very old tune.
Exactly!!!!!!! Very Scientolgocial from you. Chritsians are the most
stupid of all the peeple in the world. (hint - "other cheek" -
hehehehehe what f*cking idiots) RON knew that and told us Scientolgoists
hwo to hanlde them so come join us and learn how to get somehting out
from those dumbwits!!!!!!!! It cost cheap. ONly 200 fro 1st course. ...
I'd sooner throw $200 out my window than give it to you loons. Just
because I have no love for Christianity, don't assume that I'm retarded
enough to join up and be a part of your ridiculous scam.
Phoenix
2006-04-15 22:21:30 UTC
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In article <btr1702-***@news.giganews.com>, btr1702
@ix.netcom.com says...
Post by BTR1701
Post by preesi
Post by BTR1701
Post by slas
Like other religions aren't as wacky (circumcision? eating a wafer?
kneeling inside a box & telling a priest your sins? whacking yourself
on the head with a sabre?)
please....
And is believing that your body is full of evil alien residue any more
ridiculous than say Moses taking orders from a piece of pyrotechnic
shrubbery?
You have a point there, BUT, where is the EVIDENCE that Hubbard was
relayed all this info?
Where is the EVIDENCE that Moses had a conversation with a flaming hedge?
That wasn't Moses who spoke to the burning bush, genius. It was
Abraham.

bel
BTR1701
2006-04-15 22:59:06 UTC
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Post by Phoenix
@ix.netcom.com says...
Post by BTR1701
Post by preesi
Post by BTR1701
Post by slas
Like other religions aren't as wacky (circumcision? eating a wafer?
kneeling inside a box & telling a priest your sins? whacking yourself
on the head with a sabre?)
please....
And is believing that your body is full of evil alien residue any more
ridiculous than say Moses taking orders from a piece of pyrotechnic
shrubbery?
You have a point there, BUT, where is the EVIDENCE that Hubbard was
relayed all this info?
Where is the EVIDENCE that Moses had a conversation with a flaming hedge?
That wasn't Moses who spoke to the burning bush, genius. It was
Abraham.
You're about to feel real stupid:

Exodus 3:1-4

Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest
of Midian, and he led the flock to the far side of the desert and came
to Horeb, the mountain of God. There the angel of the LORD appeared to
him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush
was on fire it did not burn up. So Moses thought, "I will go over and
see this strange sight‹ why the bush does not burn up."
When the LORD saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from
within the bush, "Moses! Moses!"
And Moses said, "Here I am."


Hell, you could have just watched "The Ten Commandments" and seen
Charlton Heston talking to the bush. And who did Heston play? Oh, that's
right! Moses.

Idiot.
trotsky
2006-04-16 12:56:40 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by preesi
Post by BTR1701
Post by slas
Like other religions aren't as wacky (circumcision? eating a wafer?
kneeling inside a box & telling a priest your sins? whacking yourself
on the head with a sabre?)
please....
And is believing that your body is full of evil alien residue any more
ridiculous than say Moses taking orders from a piece of pyrotechnic
shrubbery?
You have a point there, BUT, where is the EVIDENCE that Hubbard was
relayed all this info?
Where is the EVIDENCE that Moses had a conversation with a flaming hedge?
It burned up.
ramona
2006-04-15 17:56:15 UTC
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According to Hubbard, all religious symbolism was implanted into the
alien "clusters"/space cotties that are on us.

"You will find the cross as a symbol all over the universe, and the
Christ legend as implant in preclears a million years ago." (L. Ron
Hubbard, Professional Auditor Bulletin 31, 1954)

"Somebody, somewhere on this planet, back about 600 BC, found some
pieces of R6.... And it became what is known as Christianity. Uh, the
man on the cross, there was no Christ, but the man on a cross, is shown
as every man.... a person can have been crucified, but in R6 he is
shown as crucified..... the entirety of Roman Catholicism, the devil
and all this sort of thing, that is all part of R6." (L. Ron Hubbard,
Class VIII Auditor Course Lectures, 1968)

from - http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/p89.htm

Or if you prefer to hear it out of the mouth of Hubbard himself:
http://www.xenu.net/archive/multimedia.html

If interested in Hubbard view of sex, read:
Scientology reserves particular venom for psychiatry, which it sees -
quite literally - as the prime force for evil in the universe. In a
1982 bulletin entitled "Pain and Sex", Hubbard declares that "pain and
sex were the INVENTED TOOLS of degradation", having been devised eons
ago by psychiatrists "who have been on the [time] track a long time and
are the sole cause of decline in this universe." [Hubbard, "Pain and
Sex", HCO Bulletin of 26 August 1982] In a scarcely less believable
vein, Scientology claims that psychiatry was responsible for World War
I, the rise of Hitler and Stalin, the decline in education standards in
the United States, the wars in Bosnia and Kosovo, and even the
September 11th attacks. [See respectively "Criminals and Psychiatry"
<http://freedom.lronhubbard.org/page104a.htm>, "Psychiatrists: The Men
Behind Hitler" <http://www.cchr.org/mbh1.htm>, "Psychiatry's Failures"
<http://violence.freedommag.org/page36a.htm>, "Educational and Social
Ruin" <http://www.cchr.org/educate/e_sr.htm>, "Bosnia & Kosovo: On The
Trail Of Psychiatric Genocide"
<http://www.cchr.org/failure/eng/page42.htm>, "Searching for Answers
Behind the Terror"
<http://www.freedommag.org/English/vol34i1/page02.htm>]

from - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/versus.htm

for the entire text:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_frm/thread/dfe993652e0e2486/948906df0c9c60d9?q=pain+and+sex&rnum=1#948906df0c9c60d9

I also find it amusing that T.C. discusses all that "great sex" he is
having with Stepford Katie. Odd though is that Hubbard taught sex with
pregnant women was a bad thing since it implants engrams into the baby.
But T.C. would never lie about male:female sex that he is having.
lolroflmao!!

Ramona
Post by preesi
Post by BTR1701
Post by slas
Like other religions aren't as wacky (circumcision? eating a wafer?
kneeling inside a box & telling a priest your sins? whacking yourself
on the head with a sabre?)
please....
And is believing that your body is full of evil alien residue any more
ridiculous than say Moses taking orders from a piece of pyrotechnic
shrubbery?
You have a point there, BUT, where is the EVIDENCE that Hubbard was
relayed all this info?
Hes simply a bad sci-fi writer, who regurgitated old defunct quack
psychology theory into a so called religion (adding sci-fi Xenu elements
for fun) because he wanted to make money and score with chicks.
He probably had a puny cock!
--
preesi
~~~~~~~~~
"Women complain about premenstrual syndrome, but I think of it as the
only time of the month that I can be myself." ~Roseanne
~~~~~~~~~
My Websites and Favorite Links: http://tinyurl.com/yvw45
Yahoo/SidekickII Name: MissPreesi
Skype: Preesi
Nelson W.Staffer
2006-04-15 19:26:46 UTC
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Post by ramona
According to Hubbard, all religious symbolism was implanted into the
alien "clusters"/space cotties that are on us.
"You will find the cross as a symbol all over the universe, and the
Christ legend as implant in preclears a million years ago." (L. Ron
Hubbard, Professional Auditor Bulletin 31, 1954)
"Somebody, somewhere on this planet, back about 600 BC, found some
pieces of R6.... And it became what is known as Christianity. Uh, the
man on the cross, there was no Christ, but the man on a cross, is shown
as every man.... a person can have been crucified, but in R6 he is
shown as crucified..... the entirety of Roman Catholicism, the devil
and all this sort of thing, that is all part of R6." (L. Ron Hubbard,
Class VIII Auditor Course Lectures, 1968)
from - http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/p89.htm
http://www.xenu.net/archive/multimedia.html
Scientology reserves particular venom for psychiatry, which it sees -
quite literally - as the prime force for evil in the universe. In a
1982 bulletin entitled "Pain and Sex", Hubbard declares that "pain and
sex were the INVENTED TOOLS of degradation", having been devised eons
ago by psychiatrists "who have been on the [time] track a long time and
are the sole cause of decline in this universe." [Hubbard, "Pain and
Sex", HCO Bulletin of 26 August 1982] In a scarcely less believable
vein, Scientology claims that psychiatry was responsible for World War
I, the rise of Hitler and Stalin, the decline in education standards in
the United States, the wars in Bosnia and Kosovo, and even the
September 11th attacks. [See respectively "Criminals and Psychiatry"
<http://freedom.lronhubbard.org/page104a.htm>, "Psychiatrists: The Men
Behind Hitler" <http://www.cchr.org/mbh1.htm>, "Psychiatry's Failures"
<http://violence.freedommag.org/page36a.htm>, "Educational and Social
Ruin" <http://www.cchr.org/educate/e_sr.htm>, "Bosnia & Kosovo: On The
Trail Of Psychiatric Genocide"
<http://www.cchr.org/failure/eng/page42.htm>, "Searching for Answers
Behind the Terror"
<http://www.freedommag.org/English/vol34i1/page02.htm>]
from - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/versus.htm
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_frm/thread/dfe993652e0e2486/948906df0c9c60d9?q=pain+and+sex&rnum=1#948906df0c9c60d9
I also find it amusing that T.C. discusses all that "great sex" he is
having with Stepford Katie. Odd though is that Hubbard taught sex with
pregnant women was a bad thing since it implants engrams into the baby.
But T.C. would never lie about male:female sex that he is having.
lolroflmao!!
Ramona
Post by preesi
Post by BTR1701
Post by slas
Like other religions aren't as wacky (circumcision? eating a wafer?
kneeling inside a box & telling a priest your sins? whacking yourself
on the head with a sabre?)
please....
And is believing that your body is full of evil alien residue any more
ridiculous than say Moses taking orders from a piece of pyrotechnic
shrubbery?
You have a point there, BUT, where is the EVIDENCE that Hubbard was
relayed all this info?
Hes simply a bad sci-fi writer, who regurgitated old defunct quack
psychology theory into a so called religion (adding sci-fi Xenu elements
for fun) because he wanted to make money and score with chicks.
He probably had a puny cock!
--
preesi
~~~~~~~~~
"Women complain about premenstrual syndrome, but I think of it as the
only time of the month that I can be myself." ~Roseanne
~~~~~~~~~
My Websites and Favorite Links: http://tinyurl.com/yvw45
Yahoo/SidekickII Name: MissPreesi
Skype: Preesi
Ramona again you forgot to tell the wrold that we SCIENTOLOGISTS ARE THE
GREATEST BEINGS ON EARTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So you stupid wogs (non-scientologists) just start reading Hubbard as
Ramona suggested to become alille more inetlilegnt.

There is nothing and nobody who can compare with us or compete with us.
Everybody wants to become a Scientologist every leading person in the
world wants to join us and every Wog just wants to be part of our
religion. We are the only breathing elements on earth who deserve the
name human beings. Everybody else is raw meet nothing else. Like cows
are or beefs or snakes or pigs. We are just so much above everybody
else, it is undecribalbe.

Nelson
--
Hello my name is Nelson

I am a scientologist. In Los Angeles.
Sea Org (lifetime staffer, 1978-)
Flag June 1977-Jul 1989 (TTC, Sup, Word Clearer, D of T, etc.)
Int Base 1981-1980 (Routing Forms Pjt)
Snr HCO Int in the FB in LA 1987-898
Re-Training (Int and LA)
In Training Org, LA MA NY (Sec Checker Sup)
LRH Tech Research and Comps, CMO Int, EXT Tr HCOB (Sept 90 - 99)
Int RPF Ext Int staff(Feb-Mar 96)
PAC RPF RPF + (Hubard Qualified Auditior) (Mar-May 97)
Int Training Org (May-Sept) (Admin Supv)
INCOMMS Sep 96-Sept 03 (Routing Forms Pjtrlh)
INCOMM IRS (LRH qualified) Sept (Computer Room LA & Int)
ASI May 92-Dec05 ASCCII C++ java - dedrug(Computer Room, In-Training Esto)
Decks Int clear Ext + *** (Ron) (Dec 05-Jun 06)
Int RPF RPFFED(Jun 06-Nov 2000)
PAC RPF (Nov 2000-Mar2004)
OT 1 1969 (Aplo Ron)
Ot 7 2004 (DM audited: M auditor B)
Clear

Join SO and network to old Sea Org friends or
media call me! At any ORG ask for Nelson from time to time,
if you don't care they know that you have read ars that is,
and I will network anyone to Ron and M.Rinder, scientologist.

interesting websites:
http://www.ron-hubbard.org
www.truthabouthubbard.org
BTR1701
2006-04-15 22:51:21 UTC
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Post by Nelson W.Staffer
There is nothing and nobody who can compare with us or compete with us.
Everybody wants to become a Scientologist every leading person in the
world wants to join us and every Wog just wants to be part of our
religion. We are the only breathing elements on earth who deserve the
name human beings. Everybody else is raw meet nothing else. Like cows
are or beefs or snakes or pigs. We are just so much above everybody
else, it is undecribalbe.
How very Third Reich of you.

And it's interesting that you're so superior to the rest of us, yet you
can't put together a grammatically correct sentence or even spell words
correctly.

"raw meet"?

Go back to 3rd grade and learn a thing or two.
Post by Nelson W.Staffer
PAC RPF RPF + (Hubard Qualified Auditior) (Mar-May 97)
LOL! You can't even spell your great leader's name right.
Ball of Fluff
2006-10-27 01:50:55 UTC
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Post by slas
Like other religions aren't as wacky (circumcision? eating a wafer?
kneeling inside a box & telling a priest your sins? whacking yourself
on the head with a sabre?)
I don't think anyone's too worked up about the wackiness so much as the
abuses and problems in CofS. Tom Cruise takes courses at Flag where they use
slave labor.

Some people take exception to that.

Myself included.

C
--
www.claireswazey.com
El Ron Crozo
2006-10-27 01:55:36 UTC
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I'm proud to say that I sent in my 30 dollars to "Bob".

El Ron Crozo
Post by Ball of Fluff
Post by slas
Like other religions aren't as wacky (circumcision? eating a wafer?
kneeling inside a box & telling a priest your sins? whacking yourself
on the head with a sabre?)
I don't think anyone's too worked up about the wackiness so much as the
abuses and problems in CofS. Tom Cruise takes courses at Flag where they use
slave labor.
Some people take exception to that.
Myself included.
C
--
www.claireswazey.com
Noel Cower
2006-10-27 02:03:11 UTC
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Post by Ball of Fluff
Post by slas
Like other religions aren't as wacky (circumcision? eating a wafer?
kneeling inside a box & telling a priest your sins? whacking yourself
on the head with a sabre?)
I don't think anyone's too worked up about the wackiness so much as the
abuses and problems in CofS. Tom Cruise takes courses at Flag where they use
slave labor.
Some people take exception to that.
Myself included.
C
That's my opinion. They can believe in Xenu and all that for all I care
- -- go nuts, I won't tell you that's wrong. The problem I have is their
blatant disregard for human rights and having obviously worked on
destroying them completely. The money-making principles of the CoS
don't bother me nearly as much as the completely criminal practices --
Snow White, Freak-out, etc.?

This is why I don't really like the media's attention to Scientology --
they only focus on the Xenu story and the like. Who cares about that?
People worship Jesus Christ, who died on a cross and is claimed to be
part of a holy trinity, so there's nothing wrong with the Xenu part as
far as I'm concerned, it's just different. The *problem* is that they
don't take into account their operations, attempts at shutting up
critics, and blatant disregard for human rights. (I'm repeating myself
here, I think, but oh well.)

So by all means, go nuts and believe in Xenu and his DC-8s and such.
However, don't try to tell me that the CoS is about freedom, peace, and
human rights, because it's clearly not.

- -noel
John
2006-10-27 03:14:11 UTC
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Post by slas
Like other religions aren't as wacky (circumcision? eating a wafer?
kneeling inside a box & telling a priest your sins? whacking yourself
on the head with a sabre?)
I don't think anyone's too worked up about the wackiness so much as the
abuses and problems in CofS. Tom Cruise takes courses at Flag where they use
slave labor.
Some people take exception to that.
Myself included.
C
That's my opinion. They can believe in Xenu and all that for all I care
- -- go nuts, I won't tell you that's wrong. The problem I have is their
blatant disregard for human rights and having obviously worked on
destroying them completely. The money-making principles of the CoS
don't bother me nearly as much as the completely criminal practices --
Snow White, Freak-out, etc.?
The problem with taking this stance is that it's the beliefs that cause the
actions. Someone who believes "Never fear to harm another in a just cause"
and also that the CoS is a "just cause" becomes a dangerous individual.
Noel Cower
2006-10-27 03:41:41 UTC
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Post by Ball of Fluff
Post by slas
Like other religions aren't as wacky (circumcision? eating a wafer?
kneeling inside a box & telling a priest your sins? whacking yourself
on the head with a sabre?)
I don't think anyone's too worked up about the wackiness so much as the
abuses and problems in CofS. Tom Cruise takes courses at Flag where they use
slave labor.
Some people take exception to that.
Myself included.
C
That's my opinion. They can believe in Xenu and all that for all I care
- -- go nuts, I won't tell you that's wrong. The problem I have is their
blatant disregard for human rights and having obviously worked on
destroying them completely. The money-making principles of the CoS
don't bother me nearly as much as the completely criminal practices --
Snow White, Freak-out, etc.?
The problem with taking this stance is that it's the beliefs that cause the
actions. Someone who believes "Never fear to harm another in a just cause"
and also that the CoS is a "just cause" becomes a dangerous individual.
I suppose I should specify that your belief in the origins of mankind
and such are the part that don't affect me. Obviously Fair Game, the
RPF, disconnection, etc. are all parts of scientology's belief, but not
necessarily the ones I meant. Specifically, if you really, honestly
want to believe that humans originated from clams and that we're
infested with alien spirits, you can. Specific beliefs that infringe
upon human rights and other aspects of our life are where I draw the
line, since they will only do harm to others.

- -noel
John
2006-10-27 06:46:46 UTC
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Post by John
Post by Noel Cower
That's my opinion. They can believe in Xenu and all that for all I care
- -- go nuts, I won't tell you that's wrong. The problem I have is their
blatant disregard for human rights and having obviously worked on
destroying them completely. The money-making principles of the CoS
don't bother me nearly as much as the completely criminal practices --
Snow White, Freak-out, etc.?
The problem with taking this stance is that it's the beliefs that cause the
actions. Someone who believes "Never fear to harm another in a just cause"
and also that the CoS is a "just cause" becomes a dangerous individual.
I suppose I should specify that your belief in the origins of mankind
and such are the part that don't affect me. Obviously Fair Game, the
RPF, disconnection, etc. are all parts of scientology's belief, but not
necessarily the ones I meant. Specifically, if you really, honestly
want to believe that humans originated from clams and that we're
infested with alien spirits, you can. Specific beliefs that infringe
upon human rights and other aspects of our life are where I draw the
line, since they will only do harm to others.
Let me re-explain my point. the CoS, and other cults and movements can have
various silly, counterfactual beliefs. On the face of it, these beliefs may
appear harmless. However, once you've accepted a counterfactual belief you
can be lead to conclusions that may be harmful for yourself or for others.

For example, the CoS' Deep Time and reincarnation beliefs are silly, but
they are embelished with the belief that Evil Psychiatrists have been
causing engrams since the Dawnatime. This may make a believer accept that
psychiatrists are a reasonable target for Fair Game, or that if they
imagine/discover that they themselves have been psychiatrists in a past life
they may feel an enormous burden of guilt for their past imagined actions.
Once you accept e.g. the Tone Scale as a representation of reality, you
accept that an individual can be irreversably low-toned, and should be
removed from society. If you happen to be homosexual and you accept the
belief in the tone scale you buy into another burden of self-loathing that
the CoS can use to their own ends... beliefs, even silly ones, can have
consequences.
Noel Cower
2006-10-27 07:37:01 UTC
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Post by John
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Post by Noel Cower
Post by John
Post by Noel Cower
That's my opinion. They can believe in Xenu and all that for all I care
- -- go nuts, I won't tell you that's wrong. The problem I have is their
blatant disregard for human rights and having obviously worked on
destroying them completely. The money-making principles of the CoS
don't bother me nearly as much as the completely criminal practices --
Snow White, Freak-out, etc.?
The problem with taking this stance is that it's the beliefs that cause the
actions. Someone who believes "Never fear to harm another in a just cause"
and also that the CoS is a "just cause" becomes a dangerous individual.
I suppose I should specify that your belief in the origins of mankind
and such are the part that don't affect me. Obviously Fair Game, the
RPF, disconnection, etc. are all parts of scientology's belief, but not
necessarily the ones I meant. Specifically, if you really, honestly
want to believe that humans originated from clams and that we're
infested with alien spirits, you can. Specific beliefs that infringe
upon human rights and other aspects of our life are where I draw the
line, since they will only do harm to others.
Let me re-explain my point. the CoS, and other cults and movements can have
various silly, counterfactual beliefs. On the face of it, these beliefs may
appear harmless. However, once you've accepted a counterfactual belief you
can be lead to conclusions that may be harmful for yourself or for others.
For example, the CoS' Deep Time and reincarnation beliefs are silly, but
they are embelished with the belief that Evil Psychiatrists have been
causing engrams since the Dawnatime. This may make a believer accept that
psychiatrists are a reasonable target for Fair Game, or that if they
imagine/discover that they themselves have been psychiatrists in a past life
they may feel an enormous burden of guilt for their past imagined actions.
Once you accept e.g. the Tone Scale as a representation of reality, you
accept that an individual can be irreversably low-toned, and should be
removed from society. If you happen to be homosexual and you accept the
belief in the tone scale you buy into another burden of self-loathing that
the CoS can use to their own ends... beliefs, even silly ones, can have
consequences.
You definitely have a point there. I suppose that the best way to put
it is that, provided the beliefs don't result in the harm of others or
removal of human rights (in this case, Scientology's do, so I suppose
Xenu and the like have already crossed the line now that you mention
this) then the person should be free to believe that.

This will require some more thought.

- -noel
Noel Cower
2006-10-27 07:41:28 UTC
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Post by Noel Cower
Post by John
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Post by Noel Cower
Post by John
Post by Noel Cower
That's my opinion. They can believe in Xenu and all that for all I care
- -- go nuts, I won't tell you that's wrong. The problem I have is their
blatant disregard for human rights and having obviously worked on
destroying them completely. The money-making principles of the CoS
don't bother me nearly as much as the completely criminal practices --
Snow White, Freak-out, etc.?
The problem with taking this stance is that it's the beliefs that cause the
actions. Someone who believes "Never fear to harm another in a just cause"
and also that the CoS is a "just cause" becomes a dangerous individual.
I suppose I should specify that your belief in the origins of mankind
and such are the part that don't affect me. Obviously Fair Game, the
RPF, disconnection, etc. are all parts of scientology's belief, but not
necessarily the ones I meant. Specifically, if you really, honestly
want to believe that humans originated from clams and that we're
infested with alien spirits, you can. Specific beliefs that infringe
upon human rights and other aspects of our life are where I draw the
line, since they will only do harm to others.
Let me re-explain my point. the CoS, and other cults and movements can have
various silly, counterfactual beliefs. On the face of it, these beliefs may
appear harmless. However, once you've accepted a counterfactual belief you
can be lead to conclusions that may be harmful for yourself or for others.
For example, the CoS' Deep Time and reincarnation beliefs are silly, but
they are embelished with the belief that Evil Psychiatrists have been
causing engrams since the Dawnatime. This may make a believer accept that
psychiatrists are a reasonable target for Fair Game, or that if they
imagine/discover that they themselves have been psychiatrists in a past life
they may feel an enormous burden of guilt for their past imagined actions.
Once you accept e.g. the Tone Scale as a representation of reality, you
accept that an individual can be irreversably low-toned, and should be
removed from society. If you happen to be homosexual and you accept the
belief in the tone scale you buy into another burden of self-loathing that
the CoS can use to their own ends... beliefs, even silly ones, can have
consequences.
You definitely have a point there. I suppose that the best way to put
it is that, provided the beliefs don't result in the harm of others or
removal of human rights (in this case, Scientology's do, so I suppose
Xenu and the like have already crossed the line now that you mention
this) then the person should be free to believe that.
This will require some more thought.
-noel
Just one note: I'm not saying that because the person believes that,
there should not be criticism of whether or not this belief is correct
or incorrect. That would bad, almost like saying "I believe this, and
so do a bunch of other people, so we must be collectively right."
Instead, even if someone chooses to believe something, we should
evaluate their belief and determine whether or not it has any basis for
being true or false.

Although, to be honest, in the case of Xenu I'm not really going to say
we need to spend much time determining whether or not it's true or
false. It's too absurd and full of holes to be true as far as I'm
concerned.

- -noel
Hartley Patterson
2006-10-27 11:07:38 UTC
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Post by Noel Cower
You definitely have a point there. I suppose that the best way to put
it is that, provided the beliefs don't result in the harm of others or
removal of human rights (in this case, Scientology's do, so I suppose
Xenu and the like have already crossed the line now that you mention
this) then the person should be free to believe that.
More to the point, how do you stop someone believing something?
What people are not free to do is to encourage others to share certain
beliefs that are repugnant to society.
--
"I just might be the angel at your door"
http://www.newsfrombree.co.uk
A medieval spreadsheet and enturbulating entheta.
t***@gmail.com
2006-10-27 03:21:57 UTC
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Post by Ball of Fluff
Post by slas
Like other religions aren't as wacky (circumcision? eating a wafer?
kneeling inside a box & telling a priest your sins? whacking yourself
on the head with a sabre?)
I don't think anyone's too worked up about the wackiness so much as the
abuses and problems in CofS. Tom Cruise takes courses at Flag where they use
slave labor.
Some people take exception to that.
Myself included.
C
--
www.claireswazey.com
Why did you dig up this thread tonight?
record hunter
2006-10-27 03:38:43 UTC
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Post by Ball of Fluff
Tom Cruise takes courses at Flag where they use
slave labor.
What does this mean?
banchukita
2006-10-27 10:47:31 UTC
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Post by record hunter
Post by Ball of Fluff
Tom Cruise takes courses at Flag where they use
slave labor.
What does this mean?
"Rehabilitation Project Force" - where you wear black, run everywhere,
don't speak or be spoken to, and dirty-work yourself back into Scn,
Inc's good graces. The RPF is a work detail for Sea Org members (that's
the elite Scnists who sign a billion year contract and wear the
psuedoNavy uniforms) who have messed up somewhere.

It's easy to fall out of good graces, since every screw up is always
*your* fault - never the tech's or Hubbard's or the org's - and it thus
becomes *your* responsibility to be humiliated and work yourself up
through the degradation to retain your 'salvation.'

There have been some eyewitness and first-person accounts of abuse of
RPFers. They're why the old buildings that Scn buys up to appear to
have a history are all fixed up and look really nice. I have seen
RPFers do some dangerous things that would make an OSHA rep blanch.

-maggie, human being
SoCally
2006-04-15 05:37:45 UTC
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Post by Taylor
"Her smile drives me crazy in a good way. She has this thing that she
does with her tongue when she smiles. When she's really laughing when
her tongue sticks out ... and it's the cutest thing."
Is he talking a puppy or a woman?

Ick - he's SO unappealing to me. I couldn't even watch the Diane Sawyer
thing. He just seems SOOOOOOOOOO phony and contrived -- trying
desparately to be liked and have everyone approve of his bizarre
thoughts. In reality we know the TRUE Tom Cruise -- which was seen in
the Matt Lauer interview.
Lava
2006-04-15 06:36:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by SoCally
Post by Taylor
"Her smile drives me crazy in a good way. She has this thing that she
does with her tongue when she smiles. When she's really laughing when
her tongue sticks out ... and it's the cutest thing."
Is he talking a puppy or a woman?
Ick - he's SO unappealing to me. I couldn't even watch the Diane Sawyer
thing. He just seems SOOOOOOOOOO phony and contrived -- trying
desparately to be liked and have everyone approve of his bizarre
thoughts. In reality we know the TRUE Tom Cruise -- which was seen in
the Matt Lauer interview.
He cute, but you can tell he has had a face lift. He face was just starting
to get a little character and now he went all Kenny Rogers on us.

Lava
Nelson W.Staffer
2006-04-15 19:36:54 UTC
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Why I joined scientology

The f-ups of wogs (non-scientologists) in the world are legion. They
have had so many unqualified staff, unhatted, slightly mentally
off-balance people, doing so many wierd things over the years, but that
is just that Wogs are so desperate, and LRH found out how all men's
problems (exceptions are pysch destroyed people) could be handled on
staff. This question is way too general. I can't answer such a general
question. I have years of stores to tell.
How about categorizing things. I'm a mega year SO (Sea Org the Marines
of scientology!!!!)vet. I could write several books on my experiences.


In my Church of Scientology founded by the only peerson ever lived who
was never wrong I saw the glowing, nirvanna, and reached full
exteriorization. Also once you are in it, meaning in my case the SO, you
are on a great easy 24/7 lifestyle, with kids your same age, sort of
like a combination of high school, college, monestary, military like,
castle, all rolled into one all so dedicated an honest and never ever
anybody lies to you or does you any wrong ever. But more lenient than
real strict military or monastic life. You even can have sex with your
spouse. Everyone is almost doing the same thing, in very close quarters
in the SO, so cosy. Once you are married, and adjusted to the lifestyle,
it just rolls, year and year and you walk along each and every day you
feel that you grow and become a better one and cannot fail anymore.
There are never ever any kind of ups and downs, or mad incompetence on
all sides, people getting busted, promoted, going up, going down. It's
like a big family, high school clique after a while. If you have
accepted the initial confinement of the SO, and can accept living like a
pervect man, then it's just a life. Much better than dumbwit middle
class Wog America, of those monkey morons. Bigger than anything else in
the whole universe because we do not fail we never ever do something
which fails or is not perfect. We are always perfect and do only perfect
things ever.

Ron never failed.
--
Hello my name is Nelson

I am a scientologist. In Los Angeles.
Sea Org (lifetime staffer, 1978-)
Flag June 1977-Jul 1989 (TTC, Sup, Word Clearer, D of T, etc.)
Int Base 1981-1980 (Routing Forms Pjt)
Snr HCO Int in the FB in LA 1987-898
Re-Training (Int and LA)
In Training Org, LA MA NY (Sec Checker Sup)
LRH Tech Research and Comps, CMO Int, EXT Tr HCOB (Sept 90 - 99)
Int RPF Ext Int staff(Feb-Mar 96)
PAC RPF RPF + (Hubard Qualified Auditior) (Mar-May 97)
Int Training Org (May-Sept) (Admin Supv)
INCOMMS Sep 96-Sept 03 (Routing Forms Pjtrlh)
INCOMM IRS (LRH qualified) Sept (Computer Room LA & Int)
ASI May 92-Dec05 ASCCII C++ java - dedrug(Computer Room, In-Training Esto)
Decks Int clear Ext + *** (Ron) (Dec 05-Jun 06)
Int RPF RPFFED(Jun 06-Nov 2000)
PAC RPF (Nov 2000-Mar2004)
OT 1 1969 (Aplo Ron)
Ot 7 2004 (DM audited: M auditor B)
Clear

Join SO and network to old Sea Org friends or
media call me! At any ORG ask for Nelson from time to time,
if you don't care they know that you have read ars that is,
and I will network anyone to Ron and M.Rinder, scientologist.

interesting websites:
http://www.ron-hubbard.org
www.truthabouthubbard.org
Podkayne Fries
2006-04-16 20:43:44 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:36:54 +0200, "Nelson W.Staffer"
Post by Nelson W.Staffer
In my Church of Scientology founded by the only peerson ever lived who
was never wrong I saw the glowing, nirvanna, and reached full
exteriorization. Also once you are in it, meaning in my case the SO, you
are on a great easy 24/7 lifestyle, with kids your same age, sort of
like a combination of high school, college, monestary, military like,
castle, all rolled into one all so dedicated an honest and never ever
anybody lies to you or does you any wrong ever. But more lenient than
real strict military or monastic life. You even can have sex with your
spouse.
Is this f'loon a real member of Co$ or just J. Random Troll?
--
Regards, Podkayne Fries

Necrophilia means never having to say you're sorry.
Zinj
2006-04-16 20:49:03 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@4ax.com>, ***@gmail.com.invalid
says...
Post by Podkayne Fries
On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:36:54 +0200, "Nelson W.Staffer"
Post by Nelson W.Staffer
In my Church of Scientology founded by the only peerson ever lived who
was never wrong I saw the glowing, nirvanna, and reached full
exteriorization. Also once you are in it, meaning in my case the SO, you
are on a great easy 24/7 lifestyle, with kids your same age, sort of
like a combination of high school, college, monestary, military like,
castle, all rolled into one all so dedicated an honest and never ever
anybody lies to you or does you any wrong ever. But more lenient than
real strict military or monastic life. You even can have sex with your
spouse.
Is this f'loon a real member of Co$ or just J. Random Troll?
Yes, but, it's a member pretending not to be a member pretending to be a member.

Zinj
--
Scientology is an 'Applied Religious Philosophy'
It's the 'application' that's objectionable.
ewsnead
2006-04-17 21:46:22 UTC
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Post by Phoenix
says...
Post by Podkayne Fries
On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:36:54 +0200, "Nelson W.Staffer"
Post by Nelson W.Staffer
In my Church of Scientology founded by the only peerson ever lived who
was never wrong I saw the glowing, nirvanna, and reached full
exteriorization. Also once you are in it, meaning in my case the SO, you
are on a great easy 24/7 lifestyle, with kids your same age, sort of
like a combination of high school, college, monestary, military like,
castle, all rolled into one all so dedicated an honest and never ever
anybody lies to you or does you any wrong ever. But more lenient than
real strict military or monastic life. You even can have sex with your
spouse.
Is this f'loon a real member of Co$ or just J. Random Troll?
Yes, but, it's a member pretending not to be a member pretending to be a member.
Yes, just like Julie Andrews, who once portrayed a woman who played the role
of a male cross-dresser in Blake Edward's send-up of cabaret society,
"Victor Victoria." Sound confusing? So is Scientology.
Post by Phoenix
Zinj
--
Scientology is an 'Applied Religious Philosophy'
It's the 'application' that's objectionable.
--
ewsnead

We accumulate our opinions at an age when our understanding is at its
weakest. - George Christoph Lichtenberg

http://www.xenu.net
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
http://www.lermanet.com
http://www.scientomogy.info/index.html#NEW
http://firstdistributorsnz.com/scien...south-park.htm
http://www.torymagoo.org
http://www.xenutv.com

and (drum roll)
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/9363363/inside_scientology
the even harder to handle .Lily Firered.
2006-04-18 08:59:44 UTC
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Post by ewsnead
Post by Phoenix
says...
Post by Podkayne Fries
On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:36:54 +0200, "Nelson W.Staffer"
Post by Nelson W.Staffer
In my Church of Scientology founded by the only peerson ever lived who
was never wrong I saw the glowing, nirvanna, and reached full
exteriorization. Also once you are in it, meaning in my case the SO, you
are on a great easy 24/7 lifestyle, with kids your same age, sort of
like a combination of high school, college, monestary, military like,
castle, all rolled into one all so dedicated an honest and never ever
anybody lies to you or does you any wrong ever. But more lenient than
real strict military or monastic life. You even can have sex with your
spouse.
Is this f'loon a real member of Co$ or just J. Random Troll?
Yes, but, it's a member pretending not to be a member pretending to be a member.
Yes, just like Julie Andrews, who once portrayed a woman who played the role
of a male cross-dresser in Blake Edward's send-up of cabaret society,
"Victor Victoria."
But what OSA-operative (OSA is the office of special affairs of the
church of scientology) Zinj tries to construct would be:

Julie Andrews (a woman) playing the role of a man, who plays the role
of a cross dresser but Julie Andrews would in fact be a man in the body
of a woman who dresses like a cross dresser and plays the role of a man
who plays the role of a cross dresser.
Post by ewsnead
Post by Phoenix
Sound confusing? So is Scientology.
Indeed.
Post by ewsnead
Post by Phoenix
Zinj
--
<snip>
Post by ewsnead
--
ewsnead
<snip>
.Lily.

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

For further enlightenment, please read some of Truth Seeker's articles:
:: The Hitchhiker's Guide Through A.R.S. - Complete List Of Truth
Seeker's Articles About This Newsgroup ::

or try this link: http://tinyurl.com/g8jm7
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

:: A critics guide to Alt.Religion.Scientology - ( Please read the
original post in the thread ) - 06 :: http://tinyurl.com/jbf7e


Here is "A critics guide to Alt.Religion.Scientology" by Truth Seeker:

The following is a detailed description of the tactics the
church of scientology employs on this newsgroup in order to handle
critics.

Technique #1 - Try to keep the outside world from reading the
criticism in the first place.

The scientologists on this newsgroup try to accomplish this in 4
different ways:

1. Try to bury the criticism with lots of news like posts. They feel
that if they can surround it with news like posts, nobody will ever
see it to begin with.

2. They make sure to always respond to the post that contains the
criticism so the reader only reads their ~response~ and not the
~original~ article containing the criticism.

3. Try to get the reader out of this newsgroup entirely by embedding
lots of web links in their response to the critical article. This way
if the reader is off someone at a web site he's not going to be here
on this newsgroup reading criticism of the church of scientology.

4. Try to have the person who wrote the offending article kicked off
the news server that he used to publish the critical article or have
his ISP shut his internet account down. They do this by having 5 or 10
of their church members send multiple complaints to the abuse
department of the news server or the ISP that the critical article was
posted from. They get the Internet Service Provider that the person
was using by the IP address that is embedded in the header information
of their posts. The take the IP address of the posting host and do a
DNS reverse lookup in order to find out who the ISP is. They then get
the abuse email address for the news server also from the header
information of the article that criticized their church. If you take a
look at the header information for any given news article, you will
see where IP address or "Posting host" is listed along with the
"***@xxxx.com" email address.

Technique #2 - Try to convince the readers of this newsgroup that the
person who wrote the articles isn't a critic at all but a
scientologist.

They believe that if they just get enough of their own agents all
accusing the critic of being a scientologist, the readers of this
newsgroup will believe it. It works off the principle that if 10
people tell you the same lie you will be more likely to believe it
than if just one person tells you a lie. So what they do is post under
10 different names, appearing to be 10 different people all saying
that the critic is a scientologist. The church of scientology believes
that people outside the church can easily be influenced by weight of
numbers, in other words, by peer pressure.

Technique #3 - Try to discredit the critic.

They try to do this by attacking the critic from different angles
with insults in an attempt to get the critic upset and angry. Their
hope is that he will get so upset that he will put up posts with
nothing but angry words in them which will make him look crazy to the
readers of the newsgroup.

Technique #4 - Try to waste your time.

They will try to get you into big long complicated conversations
that go nowhere. They will try to get you to explain this and explain
that. You will spend all you time trying to explaining everything and
answering all their dumb question that you don't have any time to
write more critical articles of the church of scientology. Of course,
this is exactly the reason why they do it. The joke about it is, even
if you do answer all their questions, they will just ask you the same
questions all over again at a later date.

Technique #5 - The Q and A.

"Q and A" means Question and Answer. In the church of scientology
it really means to question an answer. This means that the
scientologists on this newsgroup will ask you a question and whatever
answer you give, they will question it. The answer you give will never
be good enough and they will question it. This will cause the subject
of a conversation to keep changing and go on for miles and miles
without ever coming to a point or a resolution. This will also cause
the reader who is trying to follow the conversation to be confused and
not know what the conversation is about because the subject matter
keeps changing.

Technique #6 - Play games with the communication cycle.

If you ever ask one of the scientologists on this newsgroup a
direct question, you rarely will get an answer from that specific
person you directed the question to, especially if your about to prove
a point or make the scientologist wrong. More than likely, the
response will come from one of the other scientologists on the
newsgroup.

Ever try to have a conversation with 3 different people at the
same time? It's very hard isn't it? Well, that is what the
scientologists on this newsgroup are trying to re-create on this
newsgroup. For example, lets say you ask a question of one
scientologist, you get a response from another scientologist. Then
when you respond to the 2nd scientologist you get an answer from a 3rd
scientologists. To add more confusion to the situation, the 3rd
scientologist's answer has nothing to do with the subject of the
question. In this way they are trying to cause upset and frustration
in the critic. Here is an example of what I'm talking about. Let's say
you ask "Magoo" a question that will make "Magoo" wrong. Instead of
responding to your question, "Magoo" goes off and hides and you get an
response from "Barbz". When you ask "Barbz" why she responded to a
question meant for "Magoo" you won't get an answer back from "Barbz".
Instead you get a response to that question from "Zinj" and the
response "Zinj" gives isn't an answer to the question but just a bunch
of insults. In this way, they try to scramble the communication cycle
and hopefully scramble your mind in the process

Another technique they run is to give you an non-sequitur answer
to your question. In other words, to give an answer that had nothing
to do with the question. For example, if you asked a person what their
favorite color was and their answer was "7", that would be a
non-sequitur answer. "7" is the answer to a totally different
question. "7" is an answer to the question: "What is your favorite
number?" or "What's 5 + 2?".

Technique #7 - Alter the name the critic posts under.

L. Ron Hubbard taught them that the keynote to destruction is
"alter-isness" . For example, if you take a house and blow it up, you
have altered its form and therefore destroyed it. Even if you blow up
a house, the house is still there except it's form has been altered.
In an attempt to destroy you, the scientologists on this newsgroup
will alter the name you post under. For example, if you post under the
name of "Truth Seeker" they will start calling you "Toothie" or
"Trough Slurper" or "Turd Spewer".

Technique #8 - Name calling.

Yes, the scientologist on this newsgroup will dish out the
insults and put downs just like anyone else. They feel that if they
can hurt your feelings enough and associate enough pain with posting
criticism of their church, you will leave and not come back.

Technique #9 - Make the critic wrong.

The church of scientology feels that anyone who attacks them
could be an "SP" ( Suppressive Person ). The church of scientology
believes that if you make a "SP" wrong they he will get sick. So they
try to make the critic wrong in any way they possible can, even if
it's how they spell or their grammar. It seems as though they have
scientologists assigned to this newsgroup with just the purpose of
scanning a critic's posts looking for spelling and grammar mistakes.

Truth Seeker
===========
Muldoon
2006-04-18 09:13:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by the even harder to handle .Lily Firered.
Post by ewsnead
Post by Phoenix
says...
Post by Podkayne Fries
On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:36:54 +0200, "Nelson W.Staffer"
Post by Nelson W.Staffer
In my Church of Scientology founded by the only peerson ever lived who
was never wrong I saw the glowing, nirvanna, and reached full
exteriorization. Also once you are in it, meaning in my case the SO, you
are on a great easy 24/7 lifestyle, with kids your same age, sort of
like a combination of high school, college, monestary, military like,
castle, all rolled into one all so dedicated an honest and never ever
anybody lies to you or does you any wrong ever. But more lenient than
real strict military or monastic life. You even can have sex with your
spouse.
Is this f'loon a real member of Co$ or just J. Random Troll?
Yes, but, it's a member pretending not to be a member pretending to be a member.
Yes, just like Julie Andrews, who once portrayed a woman who played the role
of a male cross-dresser in Blake Edward's send-up of cabaret society,
"Victor Victoria."
But what OSA-operative (OSA is the office of special affairs of the
Julie Andrews (a woman) playing the role of a man, who plays the role
of a cross dresser but Julie Andrews would in fact be a man in the body
of a woman who dresses like a cross dresser and plays the role of a man
who plays the role of a cross dresser.
Post by ewsnead
Post by Phoenix
Sound confusing? So is Scientology.
Indeed.
Post by ewsnead
Post by Phoenix
Zinj
--
<snip>
Post by ewsnead
--
ewsnead
<snip>
.Lily.
:: The Hitchhiker's Guide Through A.R.S. - Complete List Of Truth
or try this link: http://tinyurl.com/g8jm7
:: A critics guide to Alt.Religion.Scientology - ( Please read the
original post in the thread ) - 06 :: http://tinyurl.com/jbf7e
The following is a detailed description of the tactics the
church of scientology employs on this newsgroup in order to handle
critics.
Technique #1 - Try to keep the outside world from reading the
criticism in the first place.
The scientologists on this newsgroup try to accomplish this in 4
1. Try to bury the criticism with lots of news like posts. They feel
that if they can surround it with news like posts, nobody will ever
see it to begin with.
2. They make sure to always respond to the post that contains the
criticism so the reader only reads their ~response~ and not the
~original~ article containing the criticism.
3. Try to get the reader out of this newsgroup entirely by
-snip-
Post by the even harder to handle .Lily Firered.
Truth Seeker
===========
Describe the tactics you are actually using while you're actually using
them. (But never admit to it, even though it's obvious, or should be.)

Truth Seeker, following in the footsteps of "Dorian" does this.

It's a mental-confusion gimmick.

Hubbard did this to his own followers, and some are still cross-eyed
from it.

Hubbard described "Orwellian" tactics to Scientologists, while - at the
same time - using those same Orwellian tactics on THEM!

Ron the trickster!
Tilman Hausherr
2006-04-17 12:07:09 UTC
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On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:43:44 -0400, Podkayne Fries
Post by Podkayne Fries
On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:36:54 +0200, "Nelson W.Staffer"
Post by Nelson W.Staffer
In my Church of Scientology founded by the only peerson ever lived who
was never wrong I saw the glowing, nirvanna, and reached full
exteriorization. Also once you are in it, meaning in my case the SO, you
are on a great easy 24/7 lifestyle, with kids your same age, sort of
like a combination of high school, college, monestary, military like,
castle, all rolled into one all so dedicated an honest and never ever
anybody lies to you or does you any wrong ever. But more lenient than
real strict military or monastic life. You even can have sex with your
spouse.
Is this f'loon a real member of Co$ or just J. Random Troll?
It's an austrian scientologist pretending to be a critic.

Tilman
--
Tilman Hausherr [KoX, SP5.55] Entheta * Enturbulation * Entertainment
http://www.xenu.de

Resistance is futile. You will be enturbulated. Xenu always prevails.

Find broken links on your web site: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html
The Xenu bookstore: http://home.snafu.de/tilman/bookstore.html
Roofshadow
2006-04-17 17:50:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Podkayne Fries
On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:36:54 +0200, "Nelson W.Staffer"
Post by Nelson W.Staffer
In my Church of Scientology founded by the only peerson ever lived who
was never wrong I saw the glowing, nirvanna, and reached full
exteriorization. Also once you are in it, meaning in my case the SO, you
are on a great easy 24/7 lifestyle, with kids your same age, sort of
like a combination of high school, college, monestary, military like,
castle, all rolled into one all so dedicated an honest and never ever
anybody lies to you or does you any wrong ever. But more lenient than
real strict military or monastic life. You even can have sex with your
spouse.
Is this f'loon a real member of Co$ or just J. Random Troll?
I'm trying to decide if I should let AUK know about him.
--
Roofshadow

AUK FNG
Suzy Creamcheese
2006-04-17 01:09:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Nelson W.Staffer
Why I joined scientology
You're not supposed to be here with us SPs. Or are you trolling--S.
AnonViewer
2006-04-15 19:58:07 UTC
Permalink
I feel sorry for Katie. She was raised in a strict Catholic, sheltered
home and seems to be seriously naive. Tom has really consumed her. I
fear one day she'll wake up and realize she's forever tied to a nutcase
control freak.
Nelson W.Staffer
2006-04-16 09:48:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by AnonViewer
I feel sorry for Katie. She was raised in a strict Catholic, sheltered
home and seems to be seriously naive. Tom has really consumed her. I
fear one day she'll wake up and realize she's forever tied to a nutcase
control freak.
Here is the truth about those who attack us!!!! READ THIS FUCKWARD!!!

The attakcer is redneck, defamer, liar, threat maker, hate monger, and
child porn spammer and geek kook DANA, from Washington, Texas.

She is member of the weird and money oriented SubGenius wog (non
scientologists) cult but hypocritically attacks and defames Scientology
and L. Ron Hubbard, the greatest man to ever walk the earth.
Dana signed her postings as "pope", and her mental state is to
questione. She wrote that he loves cats in white wine sauce,
drinks beer, rum and also loves skunks. I also heard that she smells
like one.
Redneck Dana is a shabby HATEFUL PERSON, who could
use a deodorant.

Nel
--
My name is Nelson

I am a scientologist. In Los Angeles.
Sea Org (lifetime staffer, 1978-)
Flag June 1977-Jul 1989 (TTC, Sup, Word Clearer, D of T, etc.)
Int Base 1981-1980 (Routing Forms Pjt)
Snr HCO Int in the FB in LA 1987-898
Re-Training (Int and LA)
In Training Org, LA MA NY (Sec Checker Sup)
LRH Tech Research and Comps, CMO Int, EXT Tr HCOB (Sept 90 - 99)
Int RPF Ext Int staff(Feb-Mar 96)
PAC RPF RPF + (Hubard Qualified Auditior) (Mar-May 97)
Int Training Org (May-Sept) (Admin Supv)
INCOMMS Sep 96-Sept 03 (Routing Forms Pjtrlh)
INCOMM IRS (LRH qualified) Sept (Computer Room LA & Int)
ASI May 92-Dec05 ASCCII C++ java - dedrug(Computer Room, In-Training Esto)
Decks Int clear Ext + *** (Ron) (Dec 05-Jun 06)
Int RPF RPFFED(Jun 06-Nov 2000)
PAC RPF (Nov 2000-Mar2004)
OT 1 1969 (Aplo Ron)
Ot 7 2004 (DM audited: M auditor B)
Clear

Join SO and network to old Sea Org friends or
media call me! At any ORG ask for Nelson from time to time,
if you don't care they know that you have read ars that is,
and I will network anyone to Ron and M.Rinder, scientologist.

interesting websites:
http://www.ron-hubbard.org
www.truthabouthubbard.org
BTR1701
2006-04-16 13:05:30 UTC
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Post by AnonViewer
I feel sorry for Katie. She was raised in a strict Catholic, sheltered
home and seems to be seriously naive. Tom has really consumed her. I
fear one day she'll wake up and realize she's forever tied to a nutcase
control freak.
Here is the truth about those who attack us!!!! READ THIS FUCKWARD!!!
I always get a chuckle out of morons who can't even spell their
profanities right, especially idiots who claim that they've never done
anything imperfect.
Nelson W.Staffer
2006-04-16 18:52:55 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by Nelson W.Staffer
Post by AnonViewer
I feel sorry for Katie. She was raised in a strict Catholic, sheltered
home and seems to be seriously naive. Tom has really consumed her. I
fear one day she'll wake up and realize she's forever tied to a nutcase
control freak.
Here is the truth about those who attack us!!!! READ THIS FUCKWARD!!!
I always get a chuckle out of morons who can't even spell their
profanities right, especially idiots who claim that they've never done
anything imperfect.
Read my sig line - I am an OT VII - but you of course do not get waht
that meens. Yoir tooooooo stupdit fro it.

OT VII is the highest level in scientology it meens I can do anything i
wish and even move things without touchign them just by a glance of my
eayse. Can you do that? No! So shut up, dumb bumpkin.

You are just some Aliens sent here to disturb us and steal everything
from us, but we HAVE THE TECH!!!!!! I have learned aobut that in the OT
4 course, eveerything about you and your Alien master and NOW I AM OT
VII (SEVEN!"!!) and knwo all and more aobut you and how to hanlde you.

We have the superporwers see Tom Cruise he has it!!!!! We are so much
above you, you even do not divine it!
--
Hello my name is Nelson

I am a scientologist. In Los Angeles.
Sea Org (lifetime staffer, 1978-)
Flag June 1977-Jul 1989 (TTC, Sup, Word Clearer, D of T, etc.)
Int Base 1981-1980 (Routing Forms Pjt)
Snr HCO Int in the FB in LA 1987-898
Re-Training (Int and LA)
In Training Org, LA MA NY (Sec Checker Sup)
LRH Tech Research and Comps, CMO Int, EXT Tr HCOB (Sept 90 - 99)
Int RPF Ext Int staff(Feb-Mar 96)
PAC RPF RPF + (Hubard Qualified Auditior) (Mar-May 97)
Int Training Org (May-Sept) (Admin Supv)
INCOMMS Sep 96-Sept 03 (Routing Forms Pjtrlh)
INCOMM IRS (LRH qualified) Sept (Computer Room LA & Int)
ASI May 92-Dec05 ASCCII C++ java - dedrug(Computer Room, In-Training Esto)
Decks Int clear Ext + *** (Ron) (Dec 05-Jun 06)
Int RPF RPFFED(Jun 06-Nov 2000)
PAC RPF (Nov 2000-Mar2004)
OT 1 1969 (Aplo Ron)
Ot 7 2004 (DM audited: M auditor B)
Clear

Join SO and network to old Sea Org friends or
media call me! At any ORG ask for Nelson from time to time,
if you don't care they know that you have read ars that is,
and I will network anyone to Ron and M.Rinder, scientologist.

interesting websites:
http://www.ron-hubbard.org
www.truthabouthubbard.org
BTR1701
2006-04-16 19:34:34 UTC
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Post by Nelson W.Staffer
Post by BTR1701
Post by Nelson W.Staffer
Post by AnonViewer
I feel sorry for Katie. She was raised in a strict Catholic, sheltered
home and seems to be seriously naive. Tom has really consumed her. I
fear one day she'll wake up and realize she's forever tied to a nutcase
control freak.
Here is the truth about those who attack us!!!! READ THIS FUCKWARD!!!
I always get a chuckle out of morons who can't even spell their
profanities right, especially idiots who claim that they've never done
anything imperfect.
Read my sig line - I am an OT VII - but you of course do not get waht
that meens. Yoir tooooooo stupdit fro it.
Says the guy who uses the word "meens".
Post by Nelson W.Staffer
OT VII is the highest level in scientology it meens I can do anything i
wish and even move things without touchign them just by a glance of my
eayse. Can you do that? No! So shut up, dumb bumpkin.
So move me around with your giant brain. Betcha can't.
explorer
2006-04-16 20:02:33 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by Nelson W.Staffer
Post by BTR1701
Post by Nelson W.Staffer
Post by AnonViewer
I feel sorry for Katie. She was raised in a strict Catholic, sheltered
home and seems to be seriously naive. Tom has really consumed her. I
fear one day she'll wake up and realize she's forever tied to a nutcase
control freak.
Here is the truth about those who attack us!!!! READ THIS FUCKWARD!!!
I always get a chuckle out of morons who can't even spell their
profanities right, especially idiots who claim that they've never done
anything imperfect.
Read my sig line - I am an OT VII - but you of course do not get waht
that meens. Yoir tooooooo stupdit fro it.
Says the guy who uses the word "meens".
You would think someone who could do anything he wanted could write a 5 word
sentence with fewer than 3 words spelled wrong. (I'm excusing "tooooooo" as
an attempt at emphasis).
Laura M
2006-04-16 20:34:35 UTC
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That Nelson guy is a tad bit off, don'tcha think? Jeez Louise! One
scarey dude.
BTR1701
2006-04-17 00:56:23 UTC
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Post by Laura M
That Nelson guy is a tad bit off, don'tcha think? Jeez Louise! One
scarey dude.
I've pretty much decided he's a troll, purposely acting like an idiot as
a farce on Scientology.

I can't imagine anyone could actually be that ridiculous and not be
strapped down in a padded room somewhere drooling on himself.
William December Starr
2006-04-18 05:04:45 UTC
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Post by Nelson W.Staffer
Here is the truth about those who attack us!!!! READ THIS
FUCKWARD!!!
I always get a chuckle out of morons who can't even spell their
profanities right, especially idiots who claim that they've never
done anything imperfect.
If backward is the opposite of forward, what's the opposite of
fuckward?
--
William December Starr <***@panix.com>
Fragile Warrior, F'loonslayer
2006-04-18 21:40:18 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by Nelson W.Staffer
Here is the truth about those who attack us!!!! READ THIS
FUCKWARD!!!
I always get a chuckle out of morons who can't even spell their
profanities right, especially idiots who claim that they've never
done anything imperfect.
If backward is the opposite of forward, what's the opposite of
fuckward?
chasteprivateroom?
Podkayne Fries
2006-04-16 20:43:46 UTC
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On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:48:00 +0200, "Nelson W.Staffer"
Post by Nelson W.Staffer
The attakcer is redneck, defamer, liar, threat maker, hate monger, and
child porn spammer and geek kook DANA, from Washington, Texas.
She is member of the weird and money oriented SubGenius wog (non
scientologists) cult but hypocritically attacks and defames Scientology
and L. Ron Hubbard, the greatest man to ever walk the earth.
Do not meddle in the affairs of the SubGenii, for you are crunchy and
taste good when dipped in chocolate.

HAIL BOB!!!111!!!!!
--
Regards, Podkayne Fries

Necrophilia means never having to say you're sorry.
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