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Tory and what she calls "both sides" - Please Read Original Post in Thread - 11/16/03
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Truth Seeker
2003-11-16 17:20:09 UTC
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Tory and what she calls "both sides":


Yes, I want the reader read both sides. But Tory ISN'T GIVING
YOU BOTH SIDES! All she is giving you is some web sites created by
Scientology's OSA division with the purpose of discrediting, NOT
SCIENTOLOGY, but the CRITICS of Scientology! You "think" that when you
log onto one of those web sites she's giving you are OUTSIDE of
Scientology, but you are not! You are just into another division of
Scientology, run by their OSA members! She's not giving you BOTH sides
at all! If you read enough of the phony criticism on the xenu web
sites you will come away with a feeling about critics & criticism of
Scientology like this:

How you know you've just read phony criticism created by Scientology:

If you read something on this newsgroup or on a web site and
came away after reading it feeling that the critics of Scientology:

1. Don't know what there are talking about.

2. Are liars.

3. Are SP's just like L. Ron Hubbard said in his lectures from the
PTS/SP course.

4. Are mentally ill just like L. Ron Hubbard said in his books and
lectures.

5. Are lowlifes or perverts like L. Ron Hubbard said in his books and
lectures.

6. Are religious bigots.

Congratulations, you just read phony criticism created by the
Church of Scientology! Why? Because these are the effects they were
aiming for. These are the conclusions the Church of Scientology WANTS
you to come to! This is the reason she is pushing those web sites so
hard. She talks about "both sides" but she's not giving you both sides
at all.






Truth Seeker
"OSA Stands for: (O)perations by (S)uppressive (A)ssholes"

=====================================================

If you want to know what Scientology doesn't want you
to know, take a look these posts that I've put up earlier on
this newsgroup. (That's if the Church of "Suppress Free Speech"
hasn't illegally cancelled them)



"How to spot the OSA members on this newsgroup"
"How you know you've just read phony criticism created by Scientology"
"Scientology's Plan to Stop Critics & Criticism on this newsgroup"
"The key to how Scientology is handling this newsgroup"
"Why you should stay away from Scientology"
"The FAQ for Alt.Religion.Scientology"
"Names Scientology is Posting by on this newsgroup"
"Tactics OSA uses to stop critics on this newsgroup"
"The Magical Transformation of Church Member into Critic"
"How Scientology is playing both sides of the coin"
"Scientology's Decoy System"
"The 3 beliefs Scientology wants the world to believe"
"Some different Ways to "Handle" Scientology"
"How Scientology Traps New Members"
"Scientology's Trick to keep people from REAL criticism"
"Weaknesses of the Church of Scientology"
"How Scientology creates identity confusion"
Rookie1122Rk
2003-11-16 18:01:21 UTC
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Subject: Tory and what she calls "both sides" - Please Read Original Post in
Thread - 11/16/03
Date: 11/16/2003 9:20 AM Pacific Standard Time
Can you tell me why you posted this 51 times already? We get the point. Magoo
is an undercover rogue agent. She is here to infiltrate the group and get
people to go to OAS websites. Do you know anything about how a proper
discussion board works. It is not about reposting the same thing over and
over. That is why you are such a complete fraud. If you cared, you wouldn't
pollute this board with your material over and over.

You are a horrible communicator (I didn't say horrible person). Learn. Read
other newsgroups as an example.

Regards
Yes, I want the reader read both sides. But Tory ISN'T GIVING
YOU BOTH SIDES! All she is giving you is some web sites created by
Scientology's OSA division with the purpose of discrediting, NOT
SCIENTOLOGY, but the CRITICS of Scientology! You "think" that when you
log onto one of those web sites she's giving you are OUTSIDE of
Scientology, but you are not! You are just into another division of
Scientology, run by their OSA members! She's not giving you BOTH sides
at all! If you read enough of the phony criticism on the xenu web
sites you will come away with a feeling about critics & criticism of
If you read something on this newsgroup or on a web site and
1. Don't know what there are talking about.
2. Are liars.
3. Are SP's just like L. Ron Hubbard said in his lectures from the
PTS/SP course.
4. Are mentally ill just like L. Ron Hubbard said in his books and
lectures.
5. Are lowlifes or perverts like L. Ron Hubbard said in his books and
lectures.
6. Are religious bigots.
Congratulations, you just read phony criticism created by the
Church of Scientology! Why? Because these are the effects they were
aiming for. These are the conclusions the Church of Scientology WANTS
you to come to! This is the reason she is pushing those web sites so
hard. She talks about "both sides" but she's not giving you both sides
at all.
Truth Seeker
"OSA Stands for: (O)perations by (S)uppressive (A)ssholes"
=====================================================
If you want to know what Scientology doesn't want you
to know, take a look these posts that I've put up earlier on
this newsgroup. (That's if the Church of "Suppress Free Speech"
hasn't illegally cancelled them)
"How to spot the OSA members on this newsgroup"
"How you know you've just read phony criticism created by Scientology"
"Scientology's Plan to Stop Critics & Criticism on this newsgroup"
"The key to how Scientology is handling this newsgroup"
"Why you should stay away from Scientology"
"The FAQ for Alt.Religion.Scientology"
"Names Scientology is Posting by on this newsgroup"
"Tactics OSA uses to stop critics on this newsgroup"
"The Magical Transformation of Church Member into Critic"
"How Scientology is playing both sides of the coin"
"Scientology's Decoy System"
"The 3 beliefs Scientology wants the world to believe"
"Some different Ways to "Handle" Scientology"
"How Scientology Traps New Members"
"Scientology's Trick to keep people from REAL criticism"
"Weaknesses of the Church of Scientology"
"How Scientology creates identity confusion"
Truth Seeker
2003-11-16 21:06:25 UTC
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Tory and what she calls "both sides":


Yes, I want the reader read both sides. But Tory ISN'T GIVING
YOU BOTH SIDES! All she is giving you is some web sites created by
Scientology's OSA division with the purpose of discrediting, NOT
SCIENTOLOGY, but the CRITICS of Scientology! You "think" that when you
log onto one of those web sites she's giving you are OUTSIDE of
Scientology, but you are not! You are just into another division of
Scientology, run by their OSA members! She's not giving you BOTH sides
at all! If you read enough of the phony criticism on the xenu web
sites you will come away with a feeling about critics & criticism of
Scientology like this:

How you know you've just read phony criticism created by Scientology:

If you read something on this newsgroup or on a web site and
came away after reading it feeling that the critics of Scientology:

1. Don't know what there are talking about.

2. Are liars.

3. Are SP's just like L. Ron Hubbard said in his lectures from the
PTS/SP course.

4. Are mentally ill just like L. Ron Hubbard said in his books and
lectures.

5. Are lowlifes or perverts like L. Ron Hubbard said in his books and
lectures.

6. Are religious bigots.

Congratulations, you just read phony criticism created by the
Church of Scientology! Why? Because these are the effects they were
aiming for. These are the conclusions the Church of Scientology WANTS
you to come to! This is the reason she is pushing those web sites so
hard. She talks about "both sides" but she's not giving you both sides
at all.




Truth Seeker
"OSA Stands for: (O)perations by (S)uppressive (A)ssholes"

=====================================================

If you want to know what Scientology doesn't want you
to know, take a look these posts that I've put up earlier on
this newsgroup. (That's if the Church of "Suppress Free Speech"
hasn't illegally cancelled them)



"How to spot the OSA members on this newsgroup"
"How you know you've just read phony criticism created by Scientology"
"Scientology's Plan to Stop Critics & Criticism on this newsgroup"
"The key to how Scientology is handling this newsgroup"
"Why you should stay away from Scientology"
"The FAQ for Alt.Religion.Scientology"
"Names Scientology is Posting by on this newsgroup"
"Tactics OSA uses to stop critics on this newsgroup"
"The Magical Transformation of Church Member into Critic"
"How Scientology is playing both sides of the coin"
"Scientology's Decoy System"
"The 3 beliefs Scientology wants the world to believe"
"Some different Ways to "Handle" Scientology"
"How Scientology Traps New Members"
"Scientology's Trick to keep people from REAL criticism"
"Weaknesses of the Church of Scientology"
"How Scientology creates identity confusion"
Ed
2003-11-17 02:16:34 UTC
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Rookie, your heart is in the right place but you are well on the way
to being a spammer yourself. You should understand that the more posts
per day or week a person makes, the less they are read.

Ed
Post by Rookie1122Rk
Subject: Tory and what she calls "both sides" - Please Read Original Post in
Thread - 11/16/03
Date: 11/16/2003 9:20 AM Pacific Standard Time
Can you tell me why you posted this 51 times already? We get the point. Magoo
is an undercover rogue agent. She is here to infiltrate the group and get
people to go to OAS websites. Do you know anything about how a proper
discussion board works. It is not about reposting the same thing over and
over. That is why you are such a complete fraud. If you cared, you wouldn't
pollute this board with your material over and over.
You are a horrible communicator (I didn't say horrible person). Learn. Read
other newsgroups as an example.
Regards
Yes, I want the reader read both sides. But Tory ISN'T GIVING
YOU BOTH SIDES! All she is giving you is some web sites created by
Scientology's OSA division with the purpose of discrediting, NOT
SCIENTOLOGY, but the CRITICS of Scientology! You "think" that when you
log onto one of those web sites she's giving you are OUTSIDE of
Scientology, but you are not! You are just into another division of
Scientology, run by their OSA members! She's not giving you BOTH sides
at all! If you read enough of the phony criticism on the xenu web
sites you will come away with a feeling about critics & criticism of
If you read something on this newsgroup or on a web site and
1. Don't know what there are talking about.
2. Are liars.
3. Are SP's just like L. Ron Hubbard said in his lectures from the
PTS/SP course.
4. Are mentally ill just like L. Ron Hubbard said in his books and
lectures.
5. Are lowlifes or perverts like L. Ron Hubbard said in his books and
lectures.
6. Are religious bigots.
Congratulations, you just read phony criticism created by the
Church of Scientology! Why? Because these are the effects they were
aiming for. These are the conclusions the Church of Scientology WANTS
you to come to! This is the reason she is pushing those web sites so
hard. She talks about "both sides" but she's not giving you both sides
at all.
Truth Seeker
"OSA Stands for: (O)perations by (S)uppressive (A)ssholes"
=====================================================
If you want to know what Scientology doesn't want you
to know, take a look these posts that I've put up earlier on
this newsgroup. (That's if the Church of "Suppress Free Speech"
hasn't illegally cancelled them)
"How to spot the OSA members on this newsgroup"
"How you know you've just read phony criticism created by Scientology"
"Scientology's Plan to Stop Critics & Criticism on this newsgroup"
"The key to how Scientology is handling this newsgroup"
"Why you should stay away from Scientology"
"The FAQ for Alt.Religion.Scientology"
"Names Scientology is Posting by on this newsgroup"
"Tactics OSA uses to stop critics on this newsgroup"
"The Magical Transformation of Church Member into Critic"
"How Scientology is playing both sides of the coin"
"Scientology's Decoy System"
"The 3 beliefs Scientology wants the world to believe"
"Some different Ways to "Handle" Scientology"
"How Scientology Traps New Members"
"Scientology's Trick to keep people from REAL criticism"
"Weaknesses of the Church of Scientology"
"How Scientology creates identity confusion"
Rookie1122Rk
2003-11-17 06:05:39 UTC
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Subject: Re: Tory and what she calls "both sides" - Please Read Original Post
in
Date: 11/16/2003 6:16 PM Pacific Standard Time
Rookie, your heart is in the right place but you are well on the way
to being a spammer yourself. You should understand that the more posts
per day or week a person makes, the less they are read.
Ed
Ed -- I am fully cognizant I could be recognized as that. The least I can do
is cancel TruthSeeker out.

Funny thing was that I never intended to post here. Even if someone told me 2
weeks ago, I would be posting on ARS, I would have laughed.

Regards
Post by Rookie1122Rk
Subject: Tory and what she calls "both sides" - Please Read Original Post
in
Post by Rookie1122Rk
Thread - 11/16/03
Date: 11/16/2003 9:20 AM Pacific Standard Time
Can you tell me why you posted this 51 times already? We get the point.
Magoo
Post by Rookie1122Rk
is an undercover rogue agent. She is here to infiltrate the group and get
people to go to OAS websites. Do you know anything about how a proper
discussion board works. It is not about reposting the same thing over and
over. That is why you are such a complete fraud. If you cared, you
wouldn't
Post by Rookie1122Rk
pollute this board with your material over and over.
You are a horrible communicator (I didn't say horrible person). Learn.
Read
Post by Rookie1122Rk
other newsgroups as an example.
Regards
Yes, I want the reader read both sides. But Tory ISN'T GIVING
YOU BOTH SIDES! All she is giving you is some web sites created by
Scientology's OSA division with the purpose of discrediting, NOT
SCIENTOLOGY, but the CRITICS of Scientology! You "think" that when you
log onto one of those web sites she's giving you are OUTSIDE of
Scientology, but you are not! You are just into another division of
Scientology, run by their OSA members! She's not giving you BOTH sides
at all! If you read enough of the phony criticism on the xenu web
sites you will come away with a feeling about critics & criticism of
If you read something on this newsgroup or on a web site and
1. Don't know what there are talking about.
2. Are liars.
3. Are SP's just like L. Ron Hubbard said in his lectures from the
PTS/SP course.
4. Are mentally ill just like L. Ron Hubbard said in his books and
lectures.
5. Are lowlifes or perverts like L. Ron Hubbard said in his books and
lectures.
6. Are religious bigots.
Congratulations, you just read phony criticism created by the
Church of Scientology! Why? Because these are the effects they were
aiming for. These are the conclusions the Church of Scientology WANTS
you to come to! This is the reason she is pushing those web sites so
hard. She talks about "both sides" but she's not giving you both sides
at all.
Truth Seeker
"OSA Stands for: (O)perations by (S)uppressive (A)ssholes"
Ed
2003-11-18 03:53:38 UTC
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Post by Rookie1122Rk
Subject: Re: Tory and what she calls "both sides" - Please Read Original Post
in
Date: 11/16/2003 6:16 PM Pacific Standard Time
Rookie, your heart is in the right place but you are well on the way
to being a spammer yourself. You should understand that the more posts
per day or week a person makes, the less they are read.
Ed
Ed -- I am fully cognizant I could be recognized as that. The least I can do
is cancel TruthSeeker out.
Two wrongs don't make a right, two spams are twice as bad as
one spam. The whole point of TS and his operators is to clog the
newsgroup with noise and lots and lots of useless posts. They take
time to download and they slow down and annoy every reader. That's why
people use killfiles.

Ed
Post by Rookie1122Rk
Funny thing was that I never intended to post here. Even if someone told me 2
weeks ago, I would be posting on ARS, I would have laughed.
Regards
Rookie1122Rk
2003-11-18 04:41:52 UTC
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Subject: Re: Tory and what she calls "both sides" - Please Read Original Post
in
Date: 11/17/2003 7:53 PM Pacific Standard Time
Post by Rookie1122Rk
Subject: Re: Tory and what she calls "both sides" - Please Read Original
Post
Post by Rookie1122Rk
in
Date: 11/16/2003 6:16 PM Pacific Standard Time
Rookie, your heart is in the right place but you are well on the way
to being a spammer yourself. You should understand that the more posts
per day or week a person makes, the less they are read.
Ed
Ed -- I am fully cognizant I could be recognized as that. The least I can
do
Post by Rookie1122Rk
is cancel TruthSeeker out.
Two wrongs don't make a right, two spams are twice as bad as
one spam. The whole point of TS and his operators is to clog the
newsgroup with noise and lots and lots of useless posts. They take
time to download and they slow down and annoy every reader. That's why
people use killfiles.
Ed
Well, I don't consider what I write spam. I write original posts (except the
few times I mocked him).

As I said, I will stop. It doesn't mean that much to me as it does to others
here and the last thing I want to do is hurt the critics of Scientology.

Best Wishes
Post by Rookie1122Rk
Funny thing was that I never intended to post here. Even if someone told
me 2
Post by Rookie1122Rk
weeks ago, I would be posting on ARS, I would have laughed.
Regards
Magoo
2003-11-16 18:15:55 UTC
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Here is my response, to this person spreading the same lies about me over
and over:
Update: OSA 101 Series, 3 Years Later

When I left the Church <Gack> of Scientology, in July of 2000, I left with
one gigantic secret: I had been a member of their Top Secret OSA
International Internet Secret Mafia. When I left, by the way, I literally
escaped. I was followed to the Airport by their Vice President of
Scientology, met in Chicago by OSA members, and finally assisted out of the
Tampa Airport by the Tampa Police, with a gang of OSA and “OT’s” there
trying to stop me from leaving.

((For anyone truly new, OSA stands for The Office of Special Affairs and is
the Church of Scientology’s legal and PR department, or so they say. In
truth, this is a story about their dirty Tricks Department, which IS a part
of OSA, which is run by their top Executives in Scientology))

In the mid ‘90’s I was asked to “help” them, my best friend and auditor,
Class 8, OT 7, Senior C/S, Staff member, Bill Yaude. I have written up the
full story about my assistance as a volunteer with OSA in trying to “handle
the critics” and finally my realizing they were/are actually trying to stop
free speech. Here is the link to the OSA 101 Story:
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm


However, I wanted to write an update to this OSA 101 series, as I feel it
is needed.

Since I have left, OSA has tried a number of things, resulting in their
“Fair Game” tactics. While In, I swore this was cancelled, as I believed
what I was told. I am here to tell all, it is most definitely NOT cancelled.
OSA does creepy things all the time to try to stop their critics from
speaking out.

They tried to pin a Criminal Conviction on me for sitting in a Red
Santa’s chair in Clearwater, Fl. (This was something literally I had to go
to court for, they claiming I had violated their feeble Injunction, trying
to stop the critics from picketing around the date of the death of Lisa
McPherson, a Scientologist who died grossly due to their medical
malpractice). I and 14 others and spent 9 days in court fighting with OSA’s
Mike Reinder and many of their top attorneys).
They ended up losing; the Judge ruled it was NOT a criminal Conviction. It
was their worst move for me, as in leaving I had met enough people and heard
the ~true~ stories (Vs Scientology’s lies) to know there is Fair Game.
However, now it not only showed me TRULY there IS Fair Game, they’d Fair
Gamed ME!

They’ve (OSA) tried many other Fair Game actions, including trying to post
many lies about me here on ARS. From the beginning they tried to ‘handle’
me, telling me I was “Too Over restimulated and I needed to take a rest”.
These are their terms to go away and shut up! Obviously I’m still here.

Recently, they came up with a new plan. Now before I go into this, let me re
state what their goals were/are, which I’ve been posting for the last 3
years:

1) Take out Bob Minton and LMT.
2) Black PR the Critics (Post tons of lies about them, so they look and
sound horrible, unbelievable, and distrusted).
3) Finally, post whatever has to be posted so that ARS looks insane, no one
will want to read it, and will leave. (This includes always driving any
“hot” topics off the first page that the general public might see).

I am writing this mostly for the newer people who come onto ARS, as the
regulars have figured this out, long ago.

However, they came up with a new plan, a few months ago. I’m not sure which
thing I did that made DM order to “Nail Tory” …but someone named “Truth
Seeker” has been flat out on that, for some time. Well, he actually also
puts down other critics, and X-Scientologists, but recently he has made many
posts lying about me.

Here are my observations:
1. Some say he is ‘just a troll’. Well, I disagree as he is fully following
OSA’s Plans to the tee. He/she never reads what I say, which is also an OSA
thing: They cannot, really, as they might wake up.

2. TS never answers any questions. Again, this is totally OSA:
”Post the lie, and move on”.

3. TS never posts ANY facts. If you read his/her posts, they are filled with
the Wizard of OZ attempts to spread FEAR.
“Don’t look, don’t read, be careful”.
Again, Hubbard’s basic rule of thumb is “Never defend, always attack!” So
TS is doing this completely by posting these lies, over and over. What
exactly is there to be fearful of? I am saying, these are the Web sites I
suggest.
These sites are created by X-Scientologists (Some of whom Scientology took
to court), and critics, most of whom C of $ has now posted on their Hate Web
pages: DUH! By the way, I don’t see ‘ol “Truthseeker” there, do you?

However, even if you are worried about that, just type in
Google, and type in “Scientology” and read.

It seemed soon after I began posting ~that~, TS began working to spam
Google. Maybe he was from the beginning, however I didn’t notice it until
recently. Even so, people can find out the facts. The facts, the court doc’
s, are on the Internet, and IF you read up, you shall find out both sides.

Once you do, I suggest you make up your own mind. That’s the best advice
Andreas gave to me in July, 2000, and I still think it is the best. As he
said, “I don’t think Scientologists are bad, I just think they are
misinformed. I suggest you read up, study both sides, and decide for
yourself”. I did, and left soon after.

4. TS posts HUGE volumes of lies, over and over again.
Hubbard said, “It doesn’t matter what you say, if you say
it enough, to enough people, they will begin to believe it”.
He’s right on target there…although I’m not sure how many
People believe him. I’ve noticed one or two people will try to
Cover their Asses saying, “Well, even if Tory is a ____”
But that has been true since I first began posting.

5. I have noticed he/she basically posts a large majority of what I have
posted since I left Scientology, as if HE thought it up! I left and posted
what the actual goals were of OSA, as I’d been working with them as a
volunteer.
See http://www.torymagoo.org and you can see all the posts I
wrote, and when. At the bottom, under my name, I have posted the year and
month for most. Now he posts the same things, as if it is his. I read very
little of what he posts, but
Others can check and see if he’s used your own words too.
Check it out and see.

6. Last and most important is this OSA op NEVER posts any actual facts about
the abuses of Scientology, as is true of anyone working for OSA. (See their
goals above).

These are sites I suggest reading. They have information and facts and
experiences on them that C of $ doesn’t want you to see. These are only a
few:
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.lermanet.com
http://www.xenutv.com (videos)
http://www.torymagoo.org (OT 7 Speaks out)
http://www.altreligionscientology.org (Many other great sites
listed here)
http://www.scientologywatch.org
and read up on these abuses, posted by Free Speech Advocates and
X-Scientologists as well.

I cannot say it enough: Study up for yourself. Find out for yourself.
Scientology was built by a mad man: L. Ron Hubbard, who wanted people to
ONLY believe him. He was a liar, a cheap, a wife abuser, a drug taker, and
used medical malpractice to harm many,
Myself included. If you want to read about that, go to
http://www.xenu.net Personal Stories, Tory’s Story and
Read my affidavit. That tells a lot about this organization hiding behind
religion.

I wish you well. Again, Scientology wants to confuse you so you will agree
with them, “The critics are all nuts”. I know, as I did for many years! This
is their program, run out of RTC, to stop Free Speech on the Internet. The
facts are unbelievable at first, as I know for me; I was SO Insulated it
truly was just like
”The Truman Show” for me. I suggest you do your own research.

Good luck in your hunt :)

Tory Christman
Aka: Tory/Magoo~dancing in the moonlight!~
Burbank, CA
Aka: Tory Bezazian ( Per Divorce due to leaving)
X-Scientologist after 30 years “in”
X- OT 7 after 7 years on it
X- Sea Org (briefly, 1971)
X-Grad 4, Flag Trained and Interned Security Checker
X- OSA Int Volunteer for 20 years
X-Staff at CC and AOLA
X-OSA Int Top Secret Internet Mafia Member, until I found out what they
were ~really~ doing and quit.
X- Executive Director of The Scientology Parishioners League
For thinking and speaking my mind, I am now:

Declared a Suppressive Person (SP 6 ^ with Cumulative Cluster)
Expelled from The Church of Scientology *wooo hooooo!!!)
Free at LAST!
Post by Truth Seeker
Yes, I want the reader read both sides. But Tory ISN'T GIVING
YOU BOTH SIDES! All she is giving you is some web sites created by
Scientology's OSA division with the purpose of discrediting, NOT
SCIENTOLOGY, but the CRITICS of Scientology! You "think" that when you
log onto one of those web sites she's giving you are OUTSIDE of
Scientology, but you are not! You are just into another division of
Scientology, run by their OSA members! She's not giving you BOTH sides
at all! If you read enough of the phony criticism on the xenu web
sites you will come away with a feeling about critics & criticism of
If you read something on this newsgroup or on a web site and
1. Don't know what there are talking about.
2. Are liars.
3. Are SP's just like L. Ron Hubbard said in his lectures from the
PTS/SP course.
4. Are mentally ill just like L. Ron Hubbard said in his books and
lectures.
5. Are lowlifes or perverts like L. Ron Hubbard said in his books and
lectures.
6. Are religious bigots.
Congratulations, you just read phony criticism created by the
Church of Scientology! Why? Because these are the effects they were
aiming for. These are the conclusions the Church of Scientology WANTS
you to come to! This is the reason she is pushing those web sites so
hard. She talks about "both sides" but she's not giving you both sides
at all.
Truth Seeker
"OSA Stands for: (O)perations by (S)uppressive (A)ssholes"
=====================================================
If you want to know what Scientology doesn't want you
to know, take a look these posts that I've put up earlier on
this newsgroup. (That's if the Church of "Suppress Free Speech"
hasn't illegally cancelled them)
"How to spot the OSA members on this newsgroup"
"How you know you've just read phony criticism created by Scientology"
"Scientology's Plan to Stop Critics & Criticism on this newsgroup"
"The key to how Scientology is handling this newsgroup"
"Why you should stay away from Scientology"
"The FAQ for Alt.Religion.Scientology"
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Phil Chitester
2003-11-16 23:17:49 UTC
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Post by Magoo
Here is my response, to this person spreading the same lies about me over
Update: OSA 101 Series, 3 Years Later
When I left the Church <Gack> of Scientology, in July of 2000, I left with
one gigantic secret: I had been a member of their Top Secret OSA
International Internet Secret Mafia. When I left, by the way, I literally
escaped. I was followed to the Airport by their Vice President of
Scientology, met in Chicago by OSA members, and finally assisted out of the
Tampa Airport by the Tampa Police, with a gang of OSA and ?OT?s? there
trying to stop me from leaving.
Sometimes I feel lucky I wasn't 'in' it. There was a brief moment one
year where I was called in for an interview potentially to work for
them, but a half hour passed and so I left. (They didn't show.)

My friend Caroline Beck was in it and once in late '93 I called her at
OSA Int and asked if she wanted money because I owed her from years
back and she had to take a few moments to come out of what I would
call a practically utterly demoralized mental daze even to talk on the
phone, which had always been entirely unlike her. I suspect that is
because of what they were constantly dealing with there.

But anyway. At this point OSA is more my detractor and
abuser/molester as I have fallen away from the normal moral restraints
against posting here. I have done that because more than anything,
this newsgroup is useful for aberrated amusement, it does not really
contribute anything pro-survival to life.

But they've practically expelled me now for non-compliance with rules,
which I find kind of sad and depressing. It is a pity a worthless guy
like myself can't just amuse himself in any way he wishes, but must be
repeatedly reminded of how serious Scientology's mission supposedly
is, while being denied any participation in it, primarily due only to
the presence of either bad-faith participants in it or of its enemies,
both in the past and in the present.

Sometimes I think that if the Church had learned true ethics, none of
this would be happening. But of course that is poppycock. They have
no ethics problem.

But one can continue to try. It is not so bad.
Post by Magoo
((For anyone truly new, OSA stands for The Office of Special Affairs and is
the Church of Scientology?s legal and PR department, or so they say. In
truth, this is a story about their dirty Tricks Department, which IS a part
of OSA, which is run by their top Executives in Scientology))
In the mid ?90?s I was asked to ?help? them, [b]y best friend and auditor,
Class 8, OT 7, Senior C/S, Staff member, Bill Yaude. I have written up the
full story about my assistance as a volunteer with OSA in trying to ?handle
the critics? and finally my realizing they were/are actually trying to stop
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm
However, I wanted to write an update to this OSA 101 series, as I feel it
is needed.
Since I have left, OSA has tried a number of things, resulting in their
?Fair Game? tactics. While In, I swore this was cancelled, as I believed
what I was told. I am here to tell all, it is most definitely NOT cancelled.
OSA does creepy things all the time to try to stop their critics from
speaking out.
Every day seems like a Torture Phil day at OSA. In one way or
another. I'm sorry if you cannot see that at all through my posts;
that is not something they would wish anyone to be made aware of.
Post by Magoo
They tried to pin a Criminal Conviction on me for sitting in a Red
Santa?s chair in Clearwater, Fl. (This was something literally I had to go
to court for, they claiming I had violated their feeble Injunction, trying
to stop the critics from picketing around the date of the death of Lisa
McPherson, a Scientologist who died grossly due to their medical
malpractice).
They weren't guilty of anything except not particulary liking her
after she fought them viciously and without due cause. Of course
anyone with a brain never would have tried to help anyone that stupid
in the first place.
Post by Magoo
I and 14 others and spent 9 days in court fighting with OSA?s
Mike Reinder and many of their top attorneys).
They ended up losing; the Judge ruled it was NOT a criminal Conviction. It
was their worst move for me, as in leaving I had met enough people and heard
the ~true~ stories (Vs Scientology?s lies) to know there is Fair Game.
However, now it not only showed me TRULY there IS Fair Game, they?d Fair
Gamed ME!
It is pretty indicative that it is a religion that they managed to
cover that sort of thing up for so long. Only a real Church could get
away with that.
Post by Magoo
They?ve (OSA) tried many other Fair Game actions, including trying to post
many lies about me here on ARS. From the beginning they tried to ?handle?
me, telling me I was ?Too Over restimulated and I needed to take a rest?.
These are their terms to go away and shut up! Obviously I?m still here.
Same words to me. I know they can produce that effect at any time to
'prove' it, though. You don't seem to know about that. I feel sorry
for you, as at any time you could be killed by some 'mysterious'
ailment and no one would be the wiser. Really.

I've come close to having blood clots in the past few months.
Post by Magoo
Recently, they came up with a new plan. Now before I go into this, let me re
state what their goals were/are, which I?ve been posting for the last 3
1) Take out Bob Minton and LMT.
I still haven't obtained an answer to the BM question.
Post by Magoo
2) Black PR the Critics (Post tons of lies about them, so they look and
sound horrible, unbelievable, and distrusted).
They are already looking like that.
Post by Magoo
3) Finally, post whatever has to be posted so that ARS looks insane, no one
will want to read it, and will leave. (This includes always driving any
?hot? topics off the first page that the general public might see).
Desperate men do desperate things.

Lazy men like me only bore people.
Post by Magoo
I am writing this mostly for the newer people who come onto ARS, as the
regulars have figured this out, long ago.
However, they came up with a new plan, a few months ago. I?m not sure which
thing I did that made DM order to ?Nail Tory? ?but someone named ?Truth
Seeker? has been flat out on that, for some time. Well, he actually also
puts down other critics, and X-Scientologists, but recently he has made many
posts lying about me.
He appears to attempt to dilute the group with 'theta' -- posts which
appear critical but which have little sprinkles or dumplings of
honesty. A taste treat to make it more palatable here. And to
distract and disinterest.

Where did that Michael Tilse go? Must have been spot on in my
analysis of him (OSAbot) 'cause he disappeared.
Post by Magoo
1. Some say he is ?just a troll?. Well, I disagree as he is fully following
OSA?s Plans to the tee. He/she never reads what I say, which is also an OSA
thing: They cannot, really, as they might wake up.
No, ARC break, go into apathy or disparage themselves.
Post by Magoo
?Post the lie, and move on?.
3. TS never posts ANY facts. If you read his/her posts, they are filled with
the Wizard of OZ attempts to spread FEAR.
?Don?t look, don?t read, be careful?.
Again, Hubbard?s basic rule of thumb is ?Never defend, always attack!? So
TS is doing this completely by posting these lies, over and over. What
exactly is there to be fearful of? I am saying, these are the Web sites I
suggest.
These sites are created by X-Scientologists (Some of whom Scientology took
to court), and critics, most of whom C of $ has now posted on their Hate Web
pages: DUH! By the way, I don?t see ?ol ?Truthseeker? there, do you?
However, even if you are worried about that, just type in
Google, and type in ?Scientology? and read.
It seemed soon after I began posting ~that~, TS began working to spam
Google. Maybe he was from the beginning, however I didn?t notice it until
recently. Even so, people can find out the facts. The facts, the court doc?
s, are on the Internet, and IF you read up, you shall find out both sides.
Once you do, I suggest you make up your own mind. That?s the best advice
Andreas gave to me in July, 2000, and I still think it is the best. As he
said, ?I don?t think Scientologists are bad, I just think they are
misinformed. I suggest you read up, study both sides, and decide for
yourself?. I did, and left soon after.
4. TS posts HUGE volumes of lies, over and over again.
Hubbard said, ?It doesn?t matter what you say, if you say
it enough, to enough people, they will begin to believe it?.
He?s right on target there?although I?m not sure how many
People believe him. I?ve noticed one or two people will try to
Cover their Asses saying, ?Well, even if Tory is a ____?
But that has been true since I first began posting.
5. I have noticed he/she basically posts a large majority of what I have
posted since I left Scientology, as if HE thought it up! I left and posted
what the actual goals were of OSA, as I?d been working with them as a
volunteer.
A 'creating a perfect duplicate causes vanishment' tactic. I believe
that is the training routine he wishes to implant into people below
their awareness. It may be workable. I've only got hope for that
sort of thing.

I've suggested that many times in the past couple years. That that is
the only real 'solution' to the enemy is to create a duplicate of him.

No SP could survive there being a perfect duplicate of him in exactly
the same space, as they are so horribly evil and destructive.

It may seem so nonsensical at first but I guarantee it is always worth
a try.

You'll note that the SPs are so stupid that it never occurs to them to
make an exact duplicate of David Miscavige and shove it into the exact
same location as his. Never do they try that. Hahahahahahahahaha!
Post by Magoo
See http://www.torymagoo.org and you can see all the posts I
wrote, and when. At the bottom, under my name, I have posted the year and
month for most. Now he posts the same things, as if it is his. I read very
little of what he posts, but
Others can check and see if he?s used your own words too.
Check it out and see.
6. Last and most important is this OSA op NEVER posts any actual facts about
the abuses of Scientology, as is true of anyone working for OSA. (See their
goals above).
That's because there aren't any. There's isolated incidents of
insanity as the planet is insane.
Post by Magoo
These are sites I suggest reading. They have information and facts and
experiences on them that C of $ doesn?t want you to see. These are only a
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.lermanet.com
http://www.xenutv.com (videos)
http://www.torymagoo.org (OT 7 Speaks out)
http://www.altreligionscientology.org (Many other great sites
listed here)
http://www.scientologywatch.org
and read up on these abuses, posted by Free Speech Advocates and
X-Scientologists as well.
I cannot say it enough: Study up for yourself. Find out for yourself.
Scientology was built by a mad man: L. Ron Hubbard, who wanted people to
ONLY believe him. He was a liar, a cheap, a wife abuser, a drug taker, and
used medical malpractice to harm many,
Myself included. If you want to read about that, go to
http://www.xenu.net Personal Stories, Tory?s Story and
Read my affidavit. That tells a lot about this organization hiding behind
religion.
A mad man indeed. He's roiling with rage at my disrespectful
behavior, among other things. And he's ready for me to be pulped.

But mostly I just see him taking walks. And communing with animal
spirits who have a decidely greater respect for life and survival than
any critics do anymore.
Post by Magoo
I wish you well. Again, Scientology wants to confuse you so you will agree
with them, ?The critics are all nuts?. I know, as I did for many years! This
is their program, run out of RTC, to stop Free Speech on the Internet. The
facts are unbelievable at first, as I know for me; I was SO Insulated it
truly was just like
?The Truman Show? for me. I suggest you do your own research.
The lies and extent of evil dramatization are what is unbelievable
from most Scientologist's viewpoint.

Quick check. Which came first?

Phil
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